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2019-10-22 Caribbean-Latin America
Mexico sends in troops after failed 'El Chapo' son arrest
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Posted by trailing wife 2019-10-22 00:34|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [1109 views ]  Top
 File under: Narcos 

#1 Hollywood must be the happiest.
Posted by Dron66046 2019-10-22 02:35||   2019-10-22 02:35|| Front Page Top

with Mexico's foreign minister saying many of the guns used in the Culiacan assault were made in the United States

Oh, bullshit. They were sold out of a Mexican military armory, and they know it.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2019-10-22 05:38||   2019-10-22 05:38|| Front Page Top

#3 Legalize drugs and all of this goes away.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2019-10-22 07:09||   2019-10-22 07:09|| Front Page Top

#4 All? When they repealed prohibition the states just initiated exclusive limited wholesale licenses. The corruption stayed.
Posted by Procopius2k 2019-10-22 07:16||   2019-10-22 07:16|| Front Page Top

#5 "...Not just the criminals, who are also human beings..."

Not a defensible statement.
Posted by Mercutio 2019-10-22 07:56||   2019-10-22 07:56|| Front Page Top

#6 Legalize drugs and all of this goes away.

What ? Everything from meth to fentanyl and all analog cocktails ? I don't think this can be done under anyone other than a Democrat crazy. You'll have to wait for someone like Bernie or that Buttigieg fellow before some of your hypotheses can be tested on hundreds of thousands.
Posted by Dron66046 2019-10-22 08:08||   2019-10-22 08:08|| Front Page Top

#7 The Donks and Rinos are worried about protecting Syria's borders? What about our southern border?
Posted by JohnQC 2019-10-22 08:26||   2019-10-22 08:26|| Front Page Top

#8 Legalize drugs and all of this goes away.

Prohibition ==> War on Drugs ==> ?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-10-22 08:31||   2019-10-22 08:31|| Front Page Top

#9 Logic, consistency, and history are not part of his makeup. Cute emotional slogans are
Posted by Frank G 2019-10-22 08:36||   2019-10-22 08:36|| Front Page Top

#10 The cartels get their weapons from many places in addition to the U.S. Criminals find ways to illegally obtain firearms; that's what criminals do.
Posted by JohnQC 2019-10-22 10:03||   2019-10-22 10:03|| Front Page Top

#11 Sounds like territory for targeted drone zaps.....start with the Presidente and work down.
Posted by AlanC 2019-10-22 10:30||   2019-10-22 10:30|| Front Page Top

#12 What about our southern border?

Open by design. Libbetrarians say open borders = freedom. Never-Trumpers tell us that the illegals are better people than native-born "deplorables."
Posted by Lex 2019-10-22 10:55||   2019-10-22 10:55|| Front Page Top

#13 Schlichter puts it well in his latest piece, "Snit Romney":
The same day he was on the Senate floor fronting about “honor” and “betrayal” there was a civil war breaking out in Mexico, yet Mitt couldn’t spare a second to fight to secure our own border. Every year, our open border literally kills thousands of Americans, via criminals and fentanyl. That’s what we’re interested in, not refereeing between tribes on the other side of the globe.
Posted by Lex 2019-10-22 11:33||   2019-10-22 11:33|| Front Page Top

#14 Drug gangs went after soldiers families in the latest engagement. Give 24 hour notice to surrender and send women and children out, then their bases and homes should be bombed into rubble and anyone escaping should be shot. No prisoners. Send a message.
Posted by rjschwarz 2019-10-22 11:47||   2019-10-22 11:47|| Front Page Top

#15 Where's Black Jack when you need him?
Posted by Lex 2019-10-22 11:48||   2019-10-22 11:48|| Front Page Top

#16 Legalize drugs and all of this goes away.

In effect, that's what they've done in San Francisco and Los Angeles. So I guess you're OK with homeless meth freaks and fentanyl addicts peeing and pooping on your sidewalks, sleeping in you doorways, spreading Third World diseases and dying in the streets. Here, check it out. It doesn't go away, it vomits on your shoes.

They'll sell it to school children, you know, just like the cotton candy flavored vapor. You'll have little kids passing out on the playgrounds and dying before the paramedics can get to them.

You've heard about the opioid epidemic, right?All the people dying from overdoses of oxycodone? You want that stuff to be available over the counter at your local Walgrens? We're not talking about beer or marijuana. This stuff is death in a pill. You don't care if these people die, if their children become orphans? You don't care what it does to their families, friends and businesses? You don't care what it does to our country? Oh well, shit happens.

And then the Guzmans will become respectable just like the Kennedy's did after Prohibition was repealed. Or they go into other businesses like prostitution and gambling. Then they buy entire cities like Las Vegas, not to mention politicians. Ovidio could become Mexico's next president. Imagine that guy sitting in the Oval Office during a state visit with President Ocasio-Cortez. El Chapo will be released from federal prison and he'll be there too, smiling for the cameras. That the kind of world you want?

But then, eventually, the pendulum swings the other way. Red necks, homophobics, xenophobics, mysoginist and all the other deplorables get sick of it, get angry and go on the rampage. Read about the Boxer Rebellion in China where the government was so weak that Europeans were calling all the shots, only here it'd be Chinese calling all the shots. The result is chaos and the bodies pile up. That's when it finally goes away.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2019-10-22 12:10||   2019-10-22 12:10|| Front Page Top

#17 ^ Post of the day. Well said.
Posted by Lex 2019-10-22 13:01||   2019-10-22 13:01|| Front Page Top

#18 Anyone who wants to make it easier for people to wreck themselves on hard drugs is no humanist.
Posted by M. Murcek 2019-10-22 13:25||   2019-10-22 13:25|| Front Page Top


Sorry I just couldn't resist [ giggle ]
Posted by Dron66046 2019-10-22 13:48||   2019-10-22 13:48|| Front Page Top

#20 Policy that decides welfare for the majority must not hinge on the personal proclivities of 'elevated thinkers'. Policy must find a middle ground and draw clear lines that cannot be crossed. That's the real world, sir.

With this and your other theory of non-intervention by default, you'd have the US be completely prone to slow supplanting and surrendering the footing it has tried to sustain for so long. Destruction from outside and inside !
Posted by Dron66046 2019-10-22 13:50||   2019-10-22 13:50|| Front Page Top

#21 "Dammit Jim, I'm a pusher, not a doctor."
Posted by USN, Ret. 2019-10-22 14:10||   2019-10-22 14:10|| Front Page Top

#22 What Abu said.
Posted by CrazyFool 2019-10-22 14:53||   2019-10-22 14:53|| Front Page Top

#23 The result is chaos and the bodies pile up.

Coming soon, to a city near you.
Posted by Skidmark 2019-10-22 15:16||   2019-10-22 15:16|| Front Page Top

#24 Legalize drugs and all of this goes away.

Now you know what caused Herb McCoy's brain to turn into sh!t.
Posted by Phaick Uneretle6310 2019-10-22 15:17||   2019-10-22 15:17|| Front Page Top

#25 And yet, meth and oxy available over the counter at Walgreen's would result in LESS harm than the current system of prohibition.

Would Mexico be exploding with violence and exporting their problems to America?

Would our prisons be exploding with inmates?

Would our law enforcement have been corrupted with seizure laws?

You have to look at *just how bad* the current situation is. Literally anything would be an improvement. We fought the drug war. Time to admit it's not working.
Posted by Herb McCoy  2019-10-22 16:15||   2019-10-22 16:15|| Front Page Top

#26 Whatever happened to badanov? Miss his knowledgeable posts about this region.
Posted by JohnQC 2019-10-22 16:59||   2019-10-22 16:59|| Front Page Top

#27 Whatever happened to badanov?

Badanov poked his head in to comment on the Mexico thread on the 19th, JohnQC, then worked up a few articles for the 20th, but he is having health issues that will continue to require his attention for a bit.
Posted by trailing wife 2019-10-22 17:48||   2019-10-22 17:48|| Front Page Top

#28 TW - please send badanov our best wishes.
Posted by Lex 2019-10-22 17:51||   2019-10-22 17:51|| Front Page Top

#29 I will show you how Rantburg can contribute to the war on drugs. Ban the promoter of open borders heroin trafficking going by the pseudonym of "Herb McCoy".

Then immediately send his IP Address to:

Federal Law Enforcement Tips Link

My brother at the U.S. Marshals Service is interested in talking to him, as well.

Finally. DO NOT ALLOW people to promote open borders trafficking of any kind at this site.

Thank you.
Posted by Phaick Uneretle6310 2019-10-22 17:56||   2019-10-22 17:56|| Front Page Top

#30 please send badanov our best wishes

I am honoured to do so, Lex.
Posted by trailing wife 2019-10-22 17:59||   2019-10-22 17:59|| Front Page Top

#31 TW: Thanks so much for the update. Send regards to him and wish him well regarding health issues.
Posted by JohnQC 2019-10-22 18:04||   2019-10-22 18:04|| Front Page Top

#32 Lex, JohnQC, I shared the link to this thread with badanov, so you have told him yourselves. <3

Then immediately send his IP Address to:

Phaick Uneretle6310, Herb McCoy has broken no laws by having and stating that opinion, nor have I seen any indication that he plans to act on that opinion, since that would require supporting certain Democratic politicians. On the contrary, the statement of the extreme of a theoretical position held by a number of Rantburgers resulted in thoughtful discussion of its flaws.

There is nothing to report to the DEA or any other law enforcement agency on the subject as a result. Your brother, I suspect, would not be happy to be distracted from his real work to follow up on such claims. Please do thank him from me for stepping forward to shield us from those who do not hold back from doing real harm, as do and have quite a few Rantburgers in a variety of capacities over the years.
Posted by trailing wife 2019-10-22 19:28||   2019-10-22 19:28|| Front Page Top

#33 It's indeed a legit opinion (that most of us, including me, don't share), but opinions are not illegal in the U.S.

I find the idea of Phaick Uneretle6310 to report an opinion to the DEA quite unsettling.
Posted by European Conservative 2019-10-22 20:13||   2019-10-22 20:13|| Front Page Top

#34 As Abu eloquently stated, the repercussions of your coveted village idiot who refuses to put himself next to the body of the dead child who somehow got into the sh!t that came across his open border is disgusting.

When my brother is not putting people like your village idiot in prison he is working with ICE and CUSTOMS trying to stem the flow of chemical death coming across the border.

Do not insult me, him or my family or the victims by trying to impose what you're shallow evaluation of his time spent when you don't haven't once sat with the family of a 15 year old as they sat in grief by the child's casket like we have.
Posted by Phaick Uneretle6310 2019-10-22 20:22||   2019-10-22 20:22|| Front Page Top

#35 I doubt your brother would put anyone in jail for exercising his 1st amendment right.
Posted by European Conservative 2019-10-22 20:26||   2019-10-22 20:26|| Front Page Top

#36 Dam right he would. It would take him not time to find who HB drug connections are. And me, as a former fireman/paramedic who took the victims of open borders to ER to have their stomachs pumped out, that is all the info he needed to start chasing the leads to put users like HB in prison.

Dam straight we can put him away. Do it all the time, EU.
Posted by Phaick Uneretle6310 2019-10-22 20:32||   2019-10-22 20:32|| Front Page Top

#37 I thought the opioids epidemic was either local made or legal on irresponsible prescriptions.
Posted by Rjschwarz 2019-10-22 20:42||   2019-10-22 20:42|| Front Page Top

#38 I know quite a few people who'd be in favor of legalizing all drugs but would never touch them, let alone trade them.

The idea they have is that if drugs were freely available, drug crimes would drop because the margins would go away.

I disagree with this idea. While dangerous drugs would be much cheaper to obtain, use would go up. Probably a lot. Not something anyone could want.

Unfortunately the "War on Drugs" will never be won. It will still save lives.
Posted by European Conservative 2019-10-22 20:45||   2019-10-22 20:45|| Front Page Top

#39 PU6310 - Dial it down. I don't like Herb's comments, attitude, virtue signalling at our national security's detriment or any other parts of his sanctimonious shit. However, it's NOT illegal
Posted by Frank G 2019-10-22 20:49||   2019-10-22 20:49|| Front Page Top

#40 I also suspect your brother doing investigation on a "American"* on this basis would violate quite a few rules and laws

*scare quotes because, well, we don't know, right?

Posted by Frank G 2019-10-22 20:52||   2019-10-22 20:52|| Front Page Top

Posted by Phaick Uneretle6310 2019-10-22 21:00||   2019-10-22 21:00|| Front Page Top

#42 Don't insult law enforcement and read up on the Constitution.
Posted by European Conservative 2019-10-22 21:05||   2019-10-22 21:05|| Front Page Top

#43 We are a family of first responders and law enforcement on a border state.

Submit his IP Address. We will take it from there.

How... Orwellian.

Don't agree with Herb a lot but he has the constitutional protected right to spout whatever he wants. And I support his right to spout crap, just like he supports my right to spout crap too.

Fuck you. Fuck your brother and I hope undertake unassisted human flight off the nearest cliff.
Posted by DarthVader 2019-10-22 21:07||   2019-10-22 21:07|| Front Page Top

Posted by Phaick Uneretle6310 2019-10-22 21:09||   2019-10-22 21:09|| Front Page Top

#45 Also if you just take an IP address as a real physical location, you are really fucking ignorant and need to brush up on modern networking technologies.
Posted by DarthVader 2019-10-22 21:09||   2019-10-22 21:09|| Front Page Top

#46 Quite a few Rantburgers are in various kinds of law enforcement. Others are firefighters and EMTs or other medical professionals. I would appreciate comments here about whether you would seek to arrest someone based on comments like those made in this thread.
Posted by trailing wife 2019-10-22 21:10||   2019-10-22 21:10|| Front Page Top

#47 I suppose Phaick Uneretle6310 wouldn't be so pleased if his IP were made public. He actually pretends that his brother breaks (or is willing to break) the law by harassing people who do nothing more than state an opinion (no matter how dumb it may be).

I have the firm suspicion that your brother, if he is who you say he is, would not be amused.
Posted by European Conservative 2019-10-22 21:14||   2019-10-22 21:14|| Front Page Top

Posted by Phaick Uneretle6310 2019-10-22 21:16||   2019-10-22 21:16|| Front Page Top

#49 take a nap. No further, tonight
Posted by Frank G 2019-10-22 21:18||   2019-10-22 21:18|| Front Page Top

#50 My IP Address Is:
IPv6: Not detected

AT&T Services
San Antonio
United States

What is his?
Posted by Phaick Uneretle6310 2019-10-22 21:18||   2019-10-22 21:18|| Front Page Top

#51 Give it a rest, please?
Posted by Frank G 2019-10-22 21:21||   2019-10-22 21:21|| Front Page Top

#52 I wonder if Omni hotels knows they have someone on their network that is being inflammatory?

IP Address Country Region City United States Texas Irving
ISP Organization Latitude Longitude
Omni Hotels Not Available 32.8140 -96.9489
Posted by DarthVader 2019-10-22 21:22||   2019-10-22 21:22|| Front Page Top

#53 Beat me to it :-)
Posted by European Conservative 2019-10-22 21:24||   2019-10-22 21:24|| Front Page Top

#54 They do have points in San Antonio, but it feeds through the WAN to Irving.
Posted by DarthVader 2019-10-22 21:26||   2019-10-22 21:26|| Front Page Top

Posted by Phaick Uneretle6310 2019-10-22 21:33||   2019-10-22 21:33|| Front Page Top

#56 Off now. This is too stupid.
Posted by European Conservative 2019-10-22 21:35||   2019-10-22 21:35|| Front Page Top

#57 Drug gangs went after soldiers families in the latest engagement. Give 24 hour notice to surrender and send women and children out, then their bases and homes should be bombed into rubble and anyone escaping should be shot. No prisoners. Send a message.

Nope. Do them all, and really send a message.
Posted by Bigfoot Elmerenter4120 2019-10-22 21:49||   2019-10-22 21:49|| Front Page Top

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