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2019-10-03 Home Front: Politix
Impeachment is regime suicide
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Posted by  Bright Pebbles 2019-10-03 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [6523 views ]  Top

#1 The fall of the Roman Republic was marked by vast corrupt bribes to buy government positions, more corruption to pay for the bribes once in office, and finally attacks on those losing (or being forced out) of those positions. The US has had a good run of peaceful transitions and it would be a shame if 2020 marked the inexorable slide from Republic to Oligarchy...
Posted by magpie 2019-10-03 02:43||   2019-10-03 02:43|| Front Page Top

#2 It's definitely higher than 40%.

Probably 60 million Americans work as white-collar, educated employees inside state or federal government, other nonprofits, or large "woke" corporations outside of the oil/gas/chemicals, agribusiness and construction sectors.

These are deep-blue environments where anything that could be construed as even remotely pro-Trump is verboten.

Of those 60m white-collar employees, at least a third are moderate, or moderate-to-conservative or conservative: 20 million potential college-educated Trump supporters surrounded by "woke," virulently anti-Trump colleagues, HR departments, and virtue-signalling senior execs.

Of the 20 million, maybe a quarter are openly pro-Trump, maybe another quarter are genuinely NeverTrumpers, and the remaining 10 million are either on the fence or underground.

How many of the 10 million are secretly pro-Trump-- secretly because to reveal their inclinations would be to risk retaliation, denunciation, ostracism-- perhaps even professional suicide or bankruptcy? 7 million?

7 million underground pro-Trump voters would amount to 11 percent of Trump's 2016 vote total, or about 5.5% of the electorate.

Are these voters, who face ruin if they let anyone around them know they support this president, really going to voluntarily open up to anonymous polling companies who call them?

Isn't it obvious that the polling numbers are seriously undercounting Trump's actual support - by at least 5 or 6 points?

How many others are there who don't fall into this white-collar group but nonetheless are underground Trump supporters?

We'll know next November. Don't be surprised if Trump wins easily.
Posted by Lex 2019-10-03 02:44||   2019-10-03 02:44|| Front Page Top

#3 Voting is always better than killing.. The Marines take an oath to support the President and defend the Constitution.. Who does the Army support? The Military stays out of politics for a reason.

The Praetorians could be bought. And the Legions fought for their Generals who paid them. And the Legions could always march on Rome...Brutus died at the battle of Philippi? And Octavian was the adopted heir of Julius....he executed Anthony in Egypt. or forced his suicide and saw Cleopatra handed the Asp.

Posted by Angilet Cheash8665 2019-10-03 04:42||   2019-10-03 04:42|| Front Page Top

#4 Legions fought for their Generals who paid them could get them land as a unit bonus.

p.s. In USA, generals don't pay. And can't get land or any other bonus.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-10-03 06:01||   2019-10-03 06:01|| Front Page Top

#5 ..but in Rome, most of the upper class didn't have the money either to personally pay the troops. They raised the money via looting of the losers, to include the 'profits' from selling the losers into slavery. Tangential note - Revolutionary France invaded and occupied the Swiss cantons....for the banks!
Posted by Procopius2k 2019-10-03 07:07||   2019-10-03 07:07|| Front Page Top

#6 Time for declassification of documents. Time for sunlight. Call it assisted-suicide; the opposite of the DS tactic of Arkanside.
Posted by JohnQC 2019-10-03 08:27||   2019-10-03 08:27|| Front Page Top

#7 Truth will set us free.
Posted by JohnQC 2019-10-03 08:29||   2019-10-03 08:29|| Front Page Top

#8 When I was a kid and I watched the Boomer class fight each other on the college campuses and it became clear that our way of life would be at risk when they came to power in DC. I am technically a Boomer, born early 1960. But it was clear when the generation that was so incredibly divided at 20, by 60 the divide would be institutionalized, and now it is. It does not matter who wins in this, it does not matter who loses. What will happen here is more and more bullshit hate from a generation that hates itself will destroy us from within. The left will live off the hate until Pelosi goes to rehab, and McConnel will deride the left until he has a stroke. These boomers were diametrically opposed since high school, and will be until death. What we the rational have to do is try to preserve the constitution until this threat to our existence has passed. Socialism/communist ideal have soaked into our schools poisoning our next generations, all the while the boomers point at each other and bicker over hurt feelings and colors of the rainbow. The boomers are no more or less corrupt than the generations before, they are human after all, and they will not be any more or less corrupt that the Gen X, Y, Z or what ever they call them selves that follow. What the boomers have lost- or never had, was basic respect for their fellow American. They/we are willing to believe the lies and believe the ends do justify the means. The Clintons are a prime example. Our constitution is in crisis, and my sad best guess is it will fail, not from an enemy attack, buy from a generation of self absorbed fools that are willing to toss the greatest thing on the planet to prove their side is right.
Posted by 49 Pan 2019-10-03 13:09||   2019-10-03 13:09|| Front Page Top

#9 A vote for impeachment to be recommended by the House of Representatives requires plausible charges which in the past were subject to debate. What seems to be lacking here are plausible charges that can be written down and that can stand up against scrutiny. What are those charges supposed to be?
Trump tweets?
Trump uses secure systems for his communications with other heads of state?
Trump finds Biden's brag that he forced firing of a Ukrainian chief prosecutor horrible?
Trump saying he would like to find out what really happened with that to the Head of State of Ukraine?
Trump getting two scoops of ice cream at certain meals?
Where is the meat?
Posted by Daniel 2019-10-03 13:34||   2019-10-03 13:34|| Front Page Top

#10 Daniel, I think "Orange man bad" will be the primary impeachment charge.
Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2019-10-03 13:46||   2019-10-03 13:46|| Front Page Top

#11 Nah, it's just an "inquiry" to play out in front of the media until it burns itself out - like the Mueller "inquiry".
Posted by Bobby 2019-10-03 14:48||   2019-10-03 14:48|| Front Page Top

#12 The "inquiry for the media" (a.k.a. Circus) has one drawback: Trump is a counter-puncher and will not hunker down and be endlessly pummeled like the milquetoast "gentlemanly loser" Republicans the GOPe prefers.
Posted by magpie 2019-10-03 16:28||   2019-10-03 16:28|| Front Page Top

#13 When will the starting shots be fired?

I don't say the first shot cause Steve Scalise gets that "honor".
Posted by AlanC 2019-10-03 17:54||   2019-10-03 17:54|| Front Page Top

#14 The dems know they can't win with any of their clowns in an honest election. I think it doesn't matter to them if they have a credible charge for impeachment. They just want to continue making noise using the media to create a huge distraction and to try to chip away at all the success Trump has had. There are too many people than can be taken in by this nonsense. On the other hand people who may have been on the fence about Trump are disgusted with this dem $hit show. I don't know what the answer is other than Trump keeping up the good fight and those of us who are with him doing whatever is in our own small milieu to do to support him.
Posted by warthogswife 2019-10-03 18:59||   2019-10-03 18:59|| Front Page Top

#15 During the French " Reign of Terror " Robespierre was the most vicious leader/killer. As it came around for his turn to get the chop, he didn't get the then current practice of having a bag placed over his head and being placed face down on the block. He was placed face up so he could see the blade dropping.
Posted by Clyde Dribble8052 2019-10-03 21:44||   2019-10-03 21:44|| Front Page Top

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