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2019-10-01 Home Front: Politix
Trump's real Ukraine reasons
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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-10-01 06:44|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [10804 views ]  Top

#1 The reason our Deep State and its allies do not like Zelensky and backed the corruption-plagued Poroshenko is that they know Zelensky, while no Russian stooge, wants to make peace with Putin.

Politics is the art of the possible. If you can't "Win A War" then the next best thing is to get out of one as gracefully as possible. Bleeding for another ten years or so because other parties want the Ukraine to bleed Putin's neo-imperialist Russia is not a winning move for Ukraine.
Posted by magpie 2019-10-01 10:19||   2019-10-01 10:19|| Front Page Top

#2 I asked the question here some time ago after Russia and Ukraine had already been fighting for some years with no side appearing to achieve any advantage from it: Why don't they just stop it?

Is the writer here telling us that they didn't stop it because Obama wanted them to keep fighting?

Except for Iran, I really don't understand our enmity with Russia. Putin is not a nice guy but at least he's not Xi Jinping. Oh, that's right. He's not as rich as Xi.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2019-10-01 13:15||   2019-10-01 13:15|| Front Page Top

#3 A peace prize winner wanted a pointless war to continue?!?
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2019-10-01 14:14||   2019-10-01 14:14|| Front Page Top

#4 Abu, Russia betrayed Socialism. And Putin is a parvenu detested by our patrician socialists.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-10-01 15:22||   2019-10-01 15:22|| Front Page Top

#5 There is every reason to try to make Russia a partner that helps us against China and that lightens our load in the ME and the war against the islamists.

We have zero national interest in Ukraine. Make them neutral a la Finland or Austria during the Cold War. Soft partition the country, give autonomy to the East, let each side's oligarchs and thieves continue to muddle and wallow and maybe move a little bit sideways. But there is no reason for us to continue to provoke Russia there, or for Russia not to tolerate an independent, and completely nonaligned, government in the western part of the country. Bring this to a conclusion and move on to more important issues.
Posted by Lex 2019-10-01 16:23||   2019-10-01 16:23|| Front Page Top

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