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2019-04-25 Africa North

Trump indicated in phone call with Libyan strongman Khalifa Haftar last wk that US supported assault on Tripoli to depose UN-backed govt

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Posted by Fred 2019-04-25 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11127 views ] Top
File under: Arab Spring

#1 The UN trashed Tripoli.

Posted by newc 2019-04-25 01:16|| 2019-04-25 01:16|| Front Page Top

#2 Why are we even involved? What do we win? Why is this worth our blood and treasure?

Posted by Herb McCoy 2019-04-25 01:23|| 2019-04-25 01:23|| Front Page Top

#3 The external influence may make it untenable if they keep making Tripoli a Construct.

Posted by newc 2019-04-25 02:22|| 2019-04-25 02:22|| Front Page Top

#4 Moslem Brotherhood and all the others

Posted by newc 2019-04-25 02:23|| 2019-04-25 02:23|| Front Page Top

#5 No blood or treasure involved, our people were evacuated by speed boats.

Our leadership needs to cultivate capable allies around the world or the world will turn into a total shthole and their refugees will pour across our borders and unfortunately vote Democrat.

Posted by Ebbavirt Clunk4147 2019-04-25 06:22|| 2019-04-25 06:22|| Front Page Top

#6 Can't trust anything back by the UN. Forget democracy in Libya. It's not going to happen. The best hope is a strongman who can impose enough order to stop the human trafficking from Libya to Europe.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2019-04-25 11:37|| 2019-04-25 11:37|| Front Page Top

#7 Abu,

I couldn't agree more.

A strong leader with the resources to eliminate the militias is absolutely necessary.

You don't kill the leadership and then abandon a geopolitically significant country to the Moslem Brotherhood.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2019-04-25 13:54|| 2019-04-25 13:54|| Front Page Top

#8 You don't kill the leadership and then abandon a geopolitically significant country to the Moslem Brotherhood.

Which is exactly what Obama, Clinton, and McCain attempted. Succeeded in Egypt, albeit temporarily.

-Puts on foil hat-
Well, I don't think Egypt was abandoned To MoBro. I think in a bid to gain power/influence and put pressure on Israel, agents of the Obama doctrine worked with the MoBro to knock Mubarak out of power. Some NGOs were so obvious about it, the military had them arrested and expelled. After Morsi was installed, the movement could spread east to Syria/Jordan and west through Libya/Algeria to create a vast bloc in a key geopolitical location.

Efforts to expand into Syria stalled with what I think was an unexpected defense of Assad both locally and foreign, Russia specifically. Westward they went with the tomahawk chop on Daffy but didn't seem to really get much past the east Libyan border and stalled. Meanwhile, they man in Cairo Morsi starts acting the MoBro fool and threatens with with everyone from Israel to Ethiopia. The Egyptian army, worried whether this is actually fight words gets sick of his shit, removes Morsi, and installs Sisi. Meanwhile, under McCain's figurehead locals receive money, arms, training, and form ISIS.

Some Jordanian pilots get burned alive, and Hussein loses his shit and vows a whomping, then suddenly loses interest - I think Team Obama threatened Jordan with some sort of reprisals, as T.O. was still playing the overthrow Assad card. There was no real coalition willing to tackle both Syria and Russia (perhaps Iranian troops are showing up in noticeable numbers by now) so we have the great chemical weapons tragedy. UK and France were totes on board and the US was right there with McCain just banging that drum until it was so ludicrous on its head that maybe a vote to go to war with Russia needs to happen.

I think what happened there was a Bay of Pigs, where T.O. had armed and trained troops for a big push to topple Assad and install a MoBro government, the chemical weapons was a cover for NATO air cover and missile strikes and Russia said Nah Bro, first we didn't do that, and second come get some and find out. So some of T.O.s troops attacked without air cover and the others joined expedition ISIS.

Jordan would be hard pressed to not at least go along with the new Jew-Hate Bloc and Economic Transit Point. Suddenly Israel is hard pressed from all sides, T.O. agents successfully tilt the elections away from Bibi and boom, Israel under Obama's thumb with a Peace in our Time government.

Posted by swksvolFF 2019-04-25 18:24|| 2019-04-25 18:24|| Front Page Top

#9 good guesses

Posted by Frank G 2019-04-25 20:12|| 2019-04-25 20:12|| Front Page Top

#10 That’s really distressing, swksvolFF. Because it all sounds like Team Obama thinking.

Posted by trailing wife 2019-04-25 20:57|| 2019-04-25 20:57|| Front Page Top

#11 I just think that forcing Israel to accept a Paleo State is one of those Golden Apples which Obama would have loved to pluck and place on the mantel, and I cannot think of any better ploy than this move.

I point to three different major events which derailed the ploy: The installation of Morsi, the Last Stand at Kobani, and John Kerry's "The only way to avoid war is if Assad gets rid of all of his chemical weapons" which I think he got a phone call five minutes later stating "Sold! moving right now."

To be fair, I cannot quite square the subsequent uranium laundering scheme to Iran via Russia other than trying to negotiate the price from a position of strength; that is, get a better price. Maybe the mutual interest of putting pressure on Israel. Maybe T.O.'s Israel election meddling, well documented, "A vote for Bibi is a vote for Iran to obtain nukes."

I don't think the gambit would have necessarily worked like T.O. would have liked, as the MoBro didn't get politically strong west of Egypt, and once a future ISIS couldn't keep their islam in their pants with the Rape of the Yzidis, which was not really being covered until that gal got in front of the Iraqi Parliament and the flagrant executions of prisoners and the destruction of Palmyra.

What ever control T.O. thought they had evaporated with Sisi and those events; basically "You don't tell us what to do!"

Also maybe in there, is the missing footage of the final moments of Daffy. If half as bad as talking about or imagined, there would be no 'moral authority' to establish said victors into government.

Well, my shave and a hair cut, for what it is worth.

Posted by swksvolFF 2019-04-25 23:09|| 2019-04-25 23:09|| Front Page Top

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