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2014-12-12 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by Frozen Al 2014-12-12 00:00|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 P.P.S. I’ve never been clear on the morality whereby invading countries, leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, many of them civilians, is ok, while using drones to kill thousands more civilians in several countries is quite acceptable, but torturing a few people, mainly terrorists, is officially The Worst Thing Ever…but that’s probably just me.

No, it isn't just you.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-12-12 03:22|| 2014-12-12 03:22|| Front Page Top

#2 Would the Left object to torture of suspects in "College rape" cases?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-12-12 03:38|| 2014-12-12 03:38|| Front Page Top

#3 When I was a very young child I lived in a zone where there was a half terrorist/half guerilla movement that did things like putting bombs in restaurants, throwing grenades at merrygorounds, setting bombs in school busses firing at civilian cars (one of them was my parents' and one of its passengers was myself when I was a baby) all while the guerrilla part of the "liberation" movement perpetrated horrendous massacres, horrendous by the number of vitctims and by the sadism they were killed. Victims were not only big bad colonizers bou also colonized people that didn't want independence or wanted it but not the kind of independence the thugs were fighting for.

At this point some paratrooper officers who had been tortured by the Communists in what is today Vietnam began to use "enhanced interrogation" and put the so-called liberation movement against the ropes all while the number of victims dramatically dropped. So they saved lives. One of them possibly mine.

So am I for torture as a method of investigation when you don't know if suspect is a bad guy? No. Am I for torture when guiltiness has been established beyond doubt and what you need is not to establish it but name and location of his accomplices so you can prevent them killing? The hell I am for it! Envision yourself telling a father "Your daughter has beeen raped and cut to pieces, her baby impaled. I could have prevented this but I didn't want to dirty my hands.". Try, just try to tell me that is the honorable and right thing to do.

Posted by JFM 2014-12-12 05:09|| 2014-12-12 05:09|| Front Page Top

#4 Number of dead from enhanced interrogation since 2001?
Number of pledges dead from frat initiations since 2001?

Posted by Procopius2k 2014-12-12 07:47|| 2014-12-12 07:47|| Front Page Top

#5 Well JFM that's certainly a view that is seldom heard. Talk about stating the issue in a brutal way...wow.

I'm not the one to disagree with you.

Posted by AlanC 2014-12-12 07:54|| 2014-12-12 07:54|| Front Page Top

#6 I was struck by the liberal Democrats and their response to terrorists, one was Hillary Clinton and the other was Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Ca). Hillary said: This, she said, includes “leaving no one on the sidelines, showing respect even for one’s enemies, trying to understand and insofar as psychologically possible, empathize with their perspective and point of view.”
Speier is calling for an apology to our enemies regarding enhanced interrogation techniques. It should be mentioned that Nancy Pelosi called the Tea Party terrorists.

There is something very disconnected, misguided, muddled and terribly wrong with the left and the way they think about terrorism. Recall Janet Napolitano's difficulty in talking about terrorism in a speech: In my speech, although I did not use the word “terrorism,” I referred to “man-caused” disasters. That is perhaps only a nuance, but it demonstrates that we want to move away from the politics of fear toward a policy of being prepared for all risks that can occur.

Jackie Speir is calling for apologies to the terrorists. This is akin to a asking person about to be beheaded to apologize for getting his neck in the way of the terrorist's knife. By this sort of reasoning, we should have apologized to Bin Laden for killing 3000 of our citizens. As once was said, "Liberalism is a mental disorder."

Posted by JohnQC 2014-12-12 08:11|| 2014-12-12 08:11|| Front Page Top

#7 It's Tommy this, and Tommy that

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-12-12 13:40|| 2014-12-12 13:40|| Front Page Top

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