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2014-06-11 Iraq

ISIL Seizes Iraq's Mosul, Other Areas as Govt. Says Will Arm Citizens Willing to Fight Militants

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Posted by trailing wife 2014-06-11 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top
File under: Islamic State of Iraq & the Levant

#1 I know why they stormed the compound in Libya now! Watch Al Jizzera the Iraqi airforce needed office supplies for their airforce the idiots are running around with paper airplanes on their heads! Paperclips on nose end get it!

Posted by Whulet Shavins7256 2014-06-11 06:31|| 2014-06-11 06:31|| Front Page Top

Say there, does anyone miss me yet ?

Posted by Besoeker 2014-06-11 07:21|| 2014-06-11 07:21|| Front Page Top

#3 Is is okay to be a culturalist now?

Posted by AlanC 2014-06-11 07:27|| 2014-06-11 07:27|| Front Page Top

#4 Iraqi government will arm citizens to fight militants? How are they going to determine that they are not arming AQ?

This debacle is a failure of our walking, talking, gum-chewing hero's policies. We will see the same thing in Afghanistan when we leave.

Posted by JohnQC 2014-06-11 07:38|| 2014-06-11 07:38|| Front Page Top

#5 You remember the term. Some called it... "nation building." Anyone who has actually been to the region knew we were simply disturbing the natural order of Islam.

Lessons learned anyone ?

Posted by Besoeker 2014-06-11 07:47|| 2014-06-11 07:47|| Front Page Top

#6 You remember the term. Some called it... "nation building." Anyone who has actually been to the region knew we were simply disturbing the natural order of Islam.

I think it's before your time, Besoeker, but Dave D. early on laid out our possibilities for the the War on Terror in proper engineer analysis. One of the points he made, that has coloured my view of events ever since, was that we had to try nation building, so that when it didn't work (like many engineers, Dave D. had faith in the space widgets he designed, but a dark view of people in general to do the right thing right) we could look our grandchildren in the eye as we explained why we pounded the entire Arab world into rubble.

He still pokes his head in the the 'Burg very occasionally, which always makes me happy.

Posted by trailing wife 2014-06-11 08:44|| 2014-06-11 08:44|| Front Page Top

#7 Thanks TW. With all due respect to Burg poster Dave D. and his assessment, I believe the justification for "pounding the entire Arab world into rubble" has now been clearly established and is entirely defendable.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-06-11 08:55|| 2014-06-11 08:55|| Front Page Top

#8 I'm not sure I disagree, Besoeker, and I weep over all the stray kittens I can't rescue (the real reason, Mr. Wife admits, that he never let me join him in India. He firmly believes I would be devastated that I wouldn't be able to help all the poor people there -- and we haven't enough spare bedrooms.)

But nothing is going to happen in that direction until January, 2017... or at least nothing constructive.

Posted by trailing wife 2014-06-11 09:06|| 2014-06-11 09:06|| Front Page Top

#9 A good deal of Detroit and parts of Cleveland need to be pounded into rubble - for entirely different reasons.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2014-06-11 09:32|| 2014-06-11 09:32|| Front Page Top

#10 much of the islamic (not arab) world pounds itself into dust

Somalia for many years now (not arab)
Syria
Iraq
up next, Pakistan (also not arab)

Posted by lord garth 2014-06-11 10:29|| 2014-06-11 10:29|| Front Page Top

#11 I should note that the Annual Haj migration is beginning... and MERS has killed for the first time in Algeria. (The other patient appears to be recovering.) Also, the Pakistani polio virus has been isolated in Syria and Israel. Israel immediately commenced on a vaccination campaign.

Darwin is riding along with the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse in the Muslim world these days. Pounding themselves into dust, indeed. Is this the cultural suicide David P. Goldman wrote about?

Posted by trailing wife 2014-06-11 11:02|| 2014-06-11 11:02|| Front Page Top

#12 Iraqi government will arm citizens to fight militants? How are they going to determine that they are not arming AQ?

Thought the same thing, then I saw the video from Mosul whereby the Iraqi military completely abandoned their posts, and dropped their uniforms, weapons and even abandoned US-provided Humvees and other vehicles. IOW, it probably doesn't matter now (at least in Mosul) as ISIL now has US-made weapons/vehicles, as well as Iraqi uniforms.

Posted by BA 2014-06-11 11:25|| 2014-06-11 11:25|| Front Page Top

#13 I wonder how many thought about spiking their equipment before leaving, and how many effectively did.

Posted by swksvolFF 2014-06-11 11:47|| 2014-06-11 11:47|| Front Page Top

#14 And what will the Kurds and Turks have to say about this?

Posted by AlanC 2014-06-11 11:54|| 2014-06-11 11:54|| Front Page Top

#15 I'm thinking NONE, #13 swksvolFF. :-(

Posted by Barbara 2014-06-11 12:10|| 2014-06-11 12:10|| Front Page Top

#16 That would be a very, very bad sign for the Iraqi government forces.

I would want to know if those soldiers who stripped their uniforms were running down the road in their skivvys or had a set of civi clothes with them.

Posted by swksvolFF 2014-06-11 12:52|| 2014-06-11 12:52|| Front Page Top

#17 DaveD ~~was~~ is a indeed a helluva engineer, he invented a very sophisticated digital give-a-shit meter that is still occasionally brought out of the back room hereabouts. Can a Mod maybe lay hands on that sucker to illustrate talent?

Also a pretty damn good photographer.

Posted by Shipman 2014-06-11 13:16|| 2014-06-11 13:16|| Front Page Top

#18 I wonder if ISIL hopes to open a second front against Iran to take pressure off of Syria?

Iran-Iraq war, round two.

Posted by Squinty 2014-06-11 18:09|| 2014-06-11 18:09|| Front Page Top

#19 I wonder what James Carville and Karl Rove would say to each other over a bottle of scotch after this one?

That aside, Iraq, thanks to the Democrats who never saw a war they couldn't lose have finally turned Iraq into 1975. They always said Iraq was going to become another Viet Nam, well thanks to their malfeasance, it has. Well at least the ARVN didn't drop trousers and run like the Iraqis did. I wonder what the hell happened to those guys in the dark green with those steely eyes that were so damned tough fighting the bad guys two years ago...I find it hard to believe those guys who stood in line for hours and risked suicide bombs, snipers, and threats to the family to enlist turned tail and ran. What the hell happened????

Posted by Bill Clinton 2014-06-11 19:27|| 2014-06-11 19:27|| Front Page Top

#20 I wonder what the hell happened to those guys in the dark green with those steely eyes that were so damned tough fighting the bad guys two years ago...I find it hard to believe those guys who stood in line for hours and risked suicide bombs, snipers, and threats to the family to enlist turned tail and ran. What the hell happened????

Sometimes we say nice things about our allies in hopes they'll eventually live up to the hype we've generated.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2014-06-11 19:38|| 2014-06-11 19:38|| Front Page Top

#21 I wouldn't worry about the equipment. It needs maintenance and spares -- they're too stuck on themselves to do the first and the second will quickly run out.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2014-06-11 20:53|| 2014-06-11 20:53|| Front Page Top

#22 It's the technology transfer I'm worried about. How much Tech advantage did we lose? How many more STA did we lose? It's a disaster any way you look at it. What they can't use they'll strip or sell.

Posted by Charles 2014-06-11 21:27|| 2014-06-11 21:27|| Front Page Top

#23 They're headed toward Kuwait and the Gulf. This is getting very, very ugly.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-06-11 21:30|| 2014-06-11 21:30|| Front Page Top

#24 I think the only thing between the ISIL and the Gulf is the Saudi Army.

It is time for KSA to man up with all of those billions of dollars of fancy equipment and DO SOMETHING. If they don't, they are toast and Iran wins.

Thank you Democrats a war that could have been won and a country that could have been whole and functioning is pissed away to your darling revolutionaries...err fanatics. Why does the left love fanatics and anarchists? Why do the libs think nothing is worth fighting for?

When I was in Iraq, I personally say men standing in line to enlist and we know the Anbar resurrection was due to tribal leaders fighting AQ...all of that is gone, I guess the assassinations and the murders finally gutted the adult supervision.

We cannot ever be trusted again. We abandoned Iraq, we abandoned Libya and we are abandoning Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

What on earth is this administration doing?

Posted by Bill Clinton 2014-06-11 22:47|| 2014-06-11 22:47|| Front Page Top

#25 Meanwhile, not to be outdone by the ISIS ...

* FREEREPUBLIC > [Last Days Watchman] COMING SOON? A MORE ISLAMIC, BUDDHIST, HINDU LESS CHRISTIAN AMERICA.

D *** NG, do the Hare Krishnas know???

* JAPAN TIMES > PUTIN GAMBLES ON CULTURE WAR WID WEST.

Which apparently America is losing, but Amerika is winning.

* TOPIX > [American Thinker] RUSSIA + CHINA ARE EXECUTING A PLAN WE [US, West] IGNORE AT OUR PERIL.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2014-06-11 23:11|| 2014-06-11 23:11|| Front Page Top

#26 Calm down, this ISIS thing is a Saudi thing to kick Iranian butt (i.e. Maliki and Assad).

There is no harm in letting them police their own neighborhood. Just let the Saudis know that their minions need to leave our people alone.

Posted by rammer 2014-06-11 23:41|| 2014-06-11 23:41|| Front Page Top

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