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2013-06-01 Science & Technology

The Marines Are Reissuing The 1911 Colt .45 Pistol - Old Story 2012 but Interesting

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Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2013-06-01 01:38|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 Can't find any 9mm ammo.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2013-06-01 02:28|| 2013-06-01 02:28|| Front Page Top

#2 "standard issue 9 mm Beretta. It's a glorified pellet gun, as far as I'm concerned, it has no balls, no stopping power. If you're shooting at a motivated target, and you don't hit vitals, that target will just keep coming". Rudyard Kipling wrote a poem about the Fuzzy Wuzzies. I believe they were the Hadendoa warriors. I do recall they needed more stopping power. I thought it was in the Pacific not the Sudan where they encountered the drug crazed, pain crazed warriors. More stopping power was required. What an experience to hit a target and it keeps coming at you. I wounder how much drug use is part of conflicts now. You don't see much written about that. Drug use must be a problem everywhere for a variety of reasons. Random drug tests only way to keep tabs on use.

Posted by Dale 2013-06-01 03:25|| 2013-06-01 03:25|| Front Page Top

#3 It is my understanding that they would come in wielding a big machete-style knife, with their arms sometimes already tied with some kind of tourniquet in case they got one shot off while attacking. To me, that fits the definition of a determined attacker.

Posted by gorb 2013-06-01 04:15|| 2013-06-01 04:15|| Front Page Top

#4 The only thing you accomplish with a 9 mm is pissing off your assailant. Unless you get a head shot, they will keep coming. The 9 mm is just a glorified .38 special which the majority of police forces in the US found to be little more than a "pellet gun"

I have anecdotal information of soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan buying .45's between deployments and carrying those into combat.

I am a bit biased toward the old gal, I shot my way out of a hooch during a sapper attack in 1968 with one and I saved my bacon with one in a country that must not be named in Central Africa in the 70's.

When I went to Iraq in 2004 to get some work from the CPA the first thing I did was go down on a street corner and buy a .45 from Mahmoud the friendly neighborhood arms dealer.

Right now, I don't see the need for a sidearm but trust me if I get a sniff of a change in the safety here in Tripoli, Libya, I will be down on the street looking for a .45.

The biggest single advantage of a .45 is that you do not have to be a good shot to be effective with one. You hit a bad guy ANYWHERE with a round and they go down and are discouraged from further malicious behavior. The stopping power of a .45 is awesome.

Posted by Bill Clinton 2013-06-01 04:23|| 2013-06-01 04:23|| Front Page Top

#5 I have anecdotal information of soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan buying .45's between deployments and carrying those into combat.

Not say'n it ain't so, but I never saw it and don't think either theater would have approved of it. Of course I never saw anyone with a bayonet or entrenching tool, things have sure changed. I like the 1911 for all the reasons listed and one other, it is a Colt and Made in America.

Posted by Besoeker 2013-06-01 07:34|| 2013-06-01 07:34|| Front Page Top

#6 I found this info a few years back.

http://handloads.com/misc/stoppingpower.asp?caliber=0

FWIW - high capacity and keep shooting till they stop would be my choice.

Posted by BrerRabbit 2013-06-01 07:50|| 2013-06-01 07:50|| Front Page Top

#7 As our family Marine told us, combat handgun calibers have to start with a '4'. The guys sort of hid them in Iraq, except on patrol. Some Force Recon and 'Special Procedures' folks got issued .40s, though.

9mm may be a bit more accurate on the range, but with the larger bores "you can hit them in the big toe and they'll go down". That seems to be a bit more effective.

Posted by Mullah Richard 2013-06-01 08:18|| 2013-06-01 08:18|| Front Page Top

#8 In Manila in WWII my father, 1st Cavalry, thought he effectively cleared a Japanese machine gun nest a few yards away, on the other side of a road with a grenade. When he tried to advance across the road to thier side the nest came alive again grazing his leg, seperating him from his tummy gun as he went down on the road. He took his colt 45 and finished of the remnants of the machine gun nest that was fortunately still daized enough by his grenade to be not so effective as machine gunners.

When you are only seconds away from death a Colt can get you out of there.

Posted by Winky Sproing5899 2013-06-01 10:31|| 2013-06-01 10:31|| Front Page Top

#9 For those who do not know what it looks like a picture. = (1000 words)

Posted by Jiggs Snavitch1005 2013-06-01 11:07|| 2013-06-01 11:07|| Front Page Top

#10 Your father sonded KickAss Winky, be thankful for the likes of him.

Posted by Shipman 2013-06-01 11:15|| 2013-06-01 11:15|| Front Page Top

#11 Apocryphal story:
Sneering Lawyer:"Why do you carry a .45, Detective?"
Detective(without blinking):"Because they don't make a .46!"

Posted by AlmostAnonymous5839 2013-06-01 11:20|| 2013-06-01 11:20|| Front Page Top

#12 Of course, by the logic in the apocryphal story, everyone should carry a Desert Eagle with a .50 cal express cartridge

Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2013-06-01 13:28|| 2013-06-01 13:28|| Front Page Top

#13 One of these Rambler,

Posted by Slereter Crereper7674 2013-06-01 13:32|| 2013-06-01 13:32|| Front Page Top

#14 "...and a Desert Eagle, that's one great big old pistol,
I mean fifty caliber, made by badass Hebrews..."

Larry McMurtry, Choctaw Bingo.

Posted by Grunter 2013-06-01 15:43|| 2013-06-01 15:43|| Front Page Top

#15 A single stack 45 can be handled by most any size individual. Double stack or something like the Desert Eagle not so much.

Posted by tipover 2013-06-01 17:53|| 2013-06-01 17:53|| Front Page Top

#16 I agree that the Desert Eagle will have serious knockdown power. Of course, for a small shooter, the shooter might be one of the knockdownees.

Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2013-06-01 21:08|| 2013-06-01 21:08|| Front Page Top

#17 Your father sonded KickAss Winky, be thankful for the likes of him.
Posted by Shipman

Americans like him are still around in "The Land of the Free and the Brave." In WWII it was very common in the First Cavalry for individual/solo missions just ahead of the front lines. Very effective and hard to detect operations if done right. He went on several, going behind enemy lines where the only battle field source of water was with a string of canteens, to quitely taking out guards at a POW camp front gate, to pouring 10 gallons of gasoline and then dropping a bag of granades down the vent of a bunker with a 100 Japanese troops down below that a large group of Americans could not get close to without getting cut to pieces. Solo they would go. Out front the tommy gun and the Colt were his best companions.

Posted by Winky Sproing5899 2013-06-01 22:16|| 2013-06-01 22:16|| Front Page Top

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