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Deficit 'fiscal cliff' bill actually spends $330 billion more
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Posted by Fred 2013-01-02 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [10800 views ]  Top

#1 As lord garth commented yesterday,

assuming HR8, aka the American Tax Relief Act of 2012, passes the house and is signed, the spending battle will be fought two months from now when the sequesters kick in certain Treasury measures that are being used to manage the national debt run out.

this isn't over, not by a long shot

A useful perspective.
Posted by trailing wife 2013-01-02 00:13||   2013-01-02 00:13|| Front Page Top

#2 Seriously, why do we even have a Republican Party? Why not just rubber stamp everything Obumble wants and fucking go home for the day?

Posted by DarthVader 2013-01-02 00:37||   2013-01-02 00:37|| Front Page Top

#3 Might as well Darth. I really don't enjoy the drama or listening to the uppity little man's dis and jive.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-01-02 01:20||   2013-01-02 01:20|| Front Page Top

#4 D *** NG, I thought it was US$367.0Bilyuhn!?

You knew it would.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2013-01-02 01:51||   2013-01-02 01:51|| Front Page Top

#5 Correct me if I'm mistaken but I believe the "increased" spending is an artifact of the CBO scoring current law after the expiration of the tax laws that were largely renewed by this legislation. I believe that, had the law been scored prior the the expiration of the old tax law on 31 Dec, its cost would have been roughly flat with the status quo.
Posted by AzCat 2013-01-02 07:02||   2013-01-02 07:02|| Front Page Top

#6 1. Thanks to TW for quoting me despite a typo

when the sequesters kick in certain

should be

when the sequesters kick in and certain

2. The CBO's estimate of $330B in new spending is based on their long standing practice of classifying certain tax subsidies and tax loopholes as 'tax expenditures'. The ATRA 2012 has oodles of these.
Posted by lord garth 2013-01-02 09:32||   2013-01-02 09:32|| Front Page Top

#7 $1 in cuts for each $41 in spending? This turkey will cost $4 trillion over the next decade? Hollywood get big bucks for making movies. This is a payoff for Hollywood big money election donations and support. This has to be the worst deal ever agreed to by the Pubs.
Posted by JohnQC 2013-01-02 10:20||   2013-01-02 10:20|| Front Page Top

#8 yes

Hollywood gets about $250M (over 10years) in tax expenditures

but that's minimal compared to $12B that wind energy producers get or the $500M for Puerto Rico rum producers or the $9B for 'active financing' (a subsidy for Wall Street and some multinationals) or the $30B for the unemployment extention

Posted by lord garth 2013-01-02 10:49||   2013-01-02 10:49|| Front Page Top

#9 "I'd gladly pay you Tuesday in March for a hamburger tax hike today!" - Sen. Whimpy
Posted by CrazyFool 2013-01-02 11:23||   2013-01-02 11:23|| Front Page Top

#10 All of these stories should go under WOT Operations. No, really, because when the crunch finally hits and the credit is all gone there will be terror. I'm afraid this cliff is a mere incline compared to what is coming.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2013-01-02 11:57||   2013-01-02 11:57|| Front Page Top

#11 so ... do citizens now get 500 million in free rum?
Posted by 3dc 2013-01-02 12:26||   2013-01-02 12:26|| Front Page Top

#12 Bummer will get free rum for his Mai Tais in Waikiki.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2013-01-02 12:41||   2013-01-02 12:41|| Front Page Top

#13 The rum tax expenditure works about like this:

Rum produced in PR and the Virgin Islands (VI).
Rum sent to US. Excise tax paid.
Excise tax rebated to govts of PR and VI.
Govt of PR and VI use money to: support distillery construction and infrastructure around distilleries (about 40%), rebate some corporate and property taxes to the distillers (about 10%) and the rest for general revenue (much of which is used for the govt to hire no-work cronies).

The price of PR and VI Rum in the US is probably about 5-10% or so below what it would be without this program. Also, distillery employment in the PR and VI is probably about 200 to 500 greater than it would be without the program. Finally, the corporate profits for the two or three large companies (e.g. Bacardi) that benefit are probably $10 to $20M/yr better than otherwise.

For perspective, the subsidies (typically direct payments) to domestic ag producers are somewhere near $8B/yr and these mostly go to Republican leaning States and to Republican leaning counties within those States.
Posted by lord garth 2013-01-02 12:44||   2013-01-02 12:44|| Front Page Top

#14 Well now I live in a republican county in a republican state and two thirds of this rural county is owned by absentee landlords who collect most of the subsidies. There is a lot wrong with the farm bill, but it is not a republican pork barrel.
Posted by bman 2013-01-02 15:36||   2013-01-02 15:36|| Front Page Top

#15 Another thing farm subsidies do is drive up the price of land. Absentee landlords don't have to sell, they're sitting on a cash cow that they've been milking for decades. Good crop year or bad crop year, it makes little difference either way as the gov't provides crop insurance as well. If you own enough to lease it out for private hunting.... good pocket change as well.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-01-02 15:42||   2013-01-02 15:42|| Front Page Top

#16 Hollywood, Newspapers, Newschannels. All critical components of the OPM (Obama/Socialist/Marxist Propaganda Machine).
Posted by Dino Shomomp7692 2013-01-02 15:46||   2013-01-02 15:46|| Front Page Top

#17 All I know is that watching 20 years of Republican stupidity, and doing the same thing over and over and over and over again, even with the Tea Party involved, I am finished with the Republicans.

I will never vote for, or donate to a Republican again unless they keep their damn work and principles and don't buckle for the democrats at the first sign of a hard fight. So pretty much I'm not voting for any Republican again.
Posted by DarthVader 2013-01-02 16:00||   2013-01-02 16:00|| Front Page Top

#18 I will never vote for, or donate to a Republican again unless they keep their damn work and principles and don't buckle for the democrats at the first sign of a hard fight. So pretty much I'm not voting for any Republican again.

I suspect you will change your mind long before the income tax goes to 50%.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2013-01-02 23:18||   2013-01-02 23:18|| Front Page Top

#19 I suspect you will change your mind long before the income tax goes to 50%.

Nope. I'll just stop working and go on the dole. Or move. Or revolt.

Haven't decided which yet.
Posted by DarthVader 2013-01-02 23:20||   2013-01-02 23:20|| Front Page Top

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