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2012-12-02 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Former rector of nation's largest Episcopal church becomes a Catholic
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Posted by Fred 2012-12-02 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [6478 views ]  Top

#1 Welcome aboard!
Posted by OldSpook 2012-12-02 01:54||   2012-12-02 01:54|| Front Page Top

#2 Good start. Now get rid of the celibacy rule for new vocations, then purge the Lavender Mafia and you might, just might, be able to start re-growing Catholicism in the West.
Posted by Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) 2012-12-02 03:30||   2012-12-02 03:30|| Front Page Top

#3 The original reason for demanding celibacy in the church had to do with ambiguity of inheriting church property vs personal wealth in the case of surviving spouses/children/grandchildren of priests and not much else.

I'm sure that with so many lawyers around today that it would be possible to come up with a way of separating out the two in a way which is fair both to the priesthood and to the church. If the Eastern rite churches can do it, no reason why Rome cannot.
Posted by no mo uro 2012-12-02 05:58||   2012-12-02 05:58|| Front Page Top

#4 Nice pict of Martin Luther.
Posted by BrerRabbit 2012-12-02 08:18||   2012-12-02 08:18|| Front Page Top

#5 A clarification:

While the Orthodox churches do allow married men to become parish priests, marriage after ordination is generally forbidden and all bishops and metropolitans must be celibate. The reasons go well beyond property inheritance.
Posted by lotp 2012-12-02 08:30||   2012-12-02 08:30|| Front Page Top

#6 Thanks lotp. All these years I thought I was just a garden variety aging senior. Turns out I'm actually a .... metropolitan!
Posted by Besoeker 2012-12-02 08:34||   2012-12-02 08:34|| Front Page Top

#7 Not in the Orthodox sense (archbishop), I suspect .....
Posted by lotp 2012-12-02 10:42||   2012-12-02 10:42|| Front Page Top

#8 no mo uro - I think with so many lawyers it would be a horrible mess. More lawyers would make it worse.
Posted by JonC 2012-12-02 12:17||   2012-12-02 12:17|| Front Page Top

#9 A further clarification of lotp's statement:

The Catholic church has always had married priests. For example, the Marionite branch of the Catholic church has had married priests since the beginning. In addition, married priests are permitted at the discretion of the Arch-bishop. For example, the Netherlands allows clergy to marry.

The Church has allowed priests to marry for most of its history. This was very common during the middle ages. They made celebacy a requirement during the Counter-Reformation as part of the effort to reduce clerical corruption. (I don't know whether the issue of inheritance enterred into this).

Suffice to say the issue of married priests is well known to the Church, and they are always able to compare the performance of their married vs. celibate clergy. If the performance of one group over becomes significant, the Catholic Church can take action.
Posted by Frozen Al 2012-12-02 12:28||   2012-12-02 12:28|| Front Page Top

#10 If a Eastern orthodox Metropolitanconverts to Catholicism is he considered a "rootless Metropolitan"?
Posted by borgboy 2012-12-02 13:38||   2012-12-02 13:38|| Front Page Top

#11 Inside word is that part of the trade deal is an unidentified Chicago priest and 400 nuns to be named later.
Posted by Pappy 2012-12-02 14:33||   2012-12-02 14:33|| Front Page Top

#12 Follow the money!!! (Optional AC/DC track of own choosing here).
Posted by Solomon Protector of the Texans5923 2012-12-02 15:00||   2012-12-02 15:00|| Front Page Top

#6 Thanks lotp. All these years I thought I was just a garden variety aging senior. Turns out I'm actually a .... metropolitan!
Posted by: Besoeker 2012-12-02 08:34

#10 If a Eastern orthodox Metropolitanconverts to Catholicism is he considered a "rootless Metropolitan"?

STOP! Rootless, with ankles in the mud, absolutely, Metropolitan as camouflage, perhaps.
Posted by Solomon Protector of the Texans5923 2012-12-02 15:09||   2012-12-02 15:09|| Front Page Top

#14 If you are up to your ankles in mud, rootless is definitely the preferred choice... ;-)
Posted by trailing wife 2012-12-02 17:38||   2012-12-02 17:38|| Front Page Top

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