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2011-08-22 Africa North
Libya Rebels Say Capital's Fall within Hours
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Posted by Fred 2011-08-22 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11136 views ]  Top

#1 I can't wait for all the nonsense we are going to hear about Obama getting credit for overthrowing Qaddafi. There will also be dismissal of the obvious fact. This was a war for oil.

The only credit he deserves is that no US personnel were killed in the war.

Posted by Penguin 2011-08-22 00:05||   2011-08-22 00:05|| Front Page Top

#2 what happens to Libya now may be worse.
Some of these are not our friends.
Posted by newc 2011-08-22 02:22||   2011-08-22 02:22|| Front Page Top

#3 Now the massacres, faction fighting, requests for funds (all assuming Qadaffy didn't just took to the desert).
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2011-08-22 02:25||   2011-08-22 02:25|| Front Page Top

#4 Out with the bad, in with the despicable? The begining of another foreign aid mistake beckons.
Posted by Muggsy Glink 2011-08-22 02:35||   2011-08-22 02:35|| Front Page Top

#5 
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2011-08-22 05:24||   2011-08-22 05:24|| Front Page Top

#6 
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2011-08-22 05:27||   2011-08-22 05:27|| Front Page Top

#7 Darn, but what will happen to his babe brigade?
Posted by European Conservative 2011-08-22 07:30||   2011-08-22 07:30|| Front Page Top

#8 The only credit he deserves is that no US personnel were killed in the war.

Actually, there are more Jihadis per capita coming from Lybia (from the rebels stringholds not from Khadafi's) than from Saudi Arabia or Yemen. I fear that overthrowing Khadafi will carry many desths of Americans and Europeans both servicemen and civilians. Khadafi was no longer dangerous (Bush 43 instilled hil the fear of God and made him dismantle his nuclear program) and even when he was, he ever was hostile to the Muslim Brotherhood and cracked on it.
Posted by JFM  2011-08-22 07:36||   2011-08-22 07:36|| Front Page Top

#9 Who's the greaseball will Hillary? What is that, sharkskin?
Posted by tu3031 2011-08-22 13:04||   2011-08-22 13:04|| Front Page Top

#10 He also demonstrated once and for all that Nato is a hollow shell. Here's hoping the EUros like their new creation. It may be their last.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2011-08-22 13:08||   2011-08-22 13:08|| Front Page Top

#11 Since there seems to be no sign right now of on-going massacres in the capital, despite the presence of thousands of amped-up armed Berbers, and the rebels have shown the organizational capacity to raise the city en masse in a single night, I'm sanguine today.

The thing about all those Libyan al Queda gunnies who marched off to Iraq last decade - the overwhelming majority of those guys are *dead*. They died like flies. I'm not inclined to demand the eternal enslavement of their cousins under the watchful, paranoid, lidless gaze of armed tyranny just because of their participation in a prior war.

I hated Gaddafi & rooted for his overthrow, not because he got into a shooting war with my country twenty-five years ago, but because he is a psychotic cunt who exports poison wholesale - guns, ideology and pure evil. He is and was an enemy of liberal civilization, and a blot upon the third world, funding & training lunatic fascist cults throughout Africa and Latin America.

If Libya becomes an al Queda caliphate, then we'll bomb that bridge when we come to it. Right now, I'm more concerned about Yemen, which has an *actual* al Queda insurgency occupying the back-country as we speak.
Posted by Mitch H.  2011-08-22 13:51|| http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/  2011-08-22 13:51|| Front Page Top

#12 
#9 - Looks like Fredo Corleone, only taller...
Posted by Fred 2011-08-22 15:53||   2011-08-22 15:53|| Front Page Top

#13 It appears to be Mutassim al Qadaffy, about whom The Telegraph writes

Mutassim is the country's National Security Adviser who met Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State. Described as "not intellectually curious", he commanded Libyan forces in the fierce battles around Brega.

The link is to a profile of the dapper colonel's children.
Posted by trailing wife 2011-08-22 17:16||   2011-08-22 17:16|| Front Page Top

#14 Mutassim is the country's National Security Adviser who met Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State. Described as "not intellectually curious"...

So he is Fredo...
Posted by tu3031 2011-08-22 17:51||   2011-08-22 17:51|| Front Page Top

#15 Gaddafi paid a price, and in return the sanctions were lifted.
A couple of years later he demanded that whatever he paid or conceded be returned to him and the West complied.
So the deal was off.

By 2008-2010 Gaddafi was a ticking time bomb, a rational actor who could be deterred who had come to the reasonable conclusion that the West could be attacked with impunity. He had lost any respect of fear by that time.

The choice was to forcibly remove Gaddafi before or after the next Lockerbie. When an arab-islamic dictator declares Jihad we should take him seriously.

I don't like Obama. I wouldn't have voted for him. I believe his presidency will have terrible consequences for the world (i.e. nuclear Iran), but if the Obama administration gets something right I will not criticize them for criticism's sake.
Posted by Albemarle Smith9742 2011-08-22 18:19||   2011-08-22 18:19|| Front Page Top

#16 #14: "It ain't the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!"

"Then quit wearing that pimp suit"
Posted by Frank G 2011-08-22 18:45||   2011-08-22 18:45|| Front Page Top

#17 By 2008-2010 Gaddafi was a ticking time bomb, a rational actor who could be deterred who had come to the reasonable conclusion that the West could be attacked with impunity. He had lost any respect of fear by that time.


In other words he came to that conclusion when Obama became president.

I don't like Obama. I wouldn't have voted for him. I believe his presidency will have terrible consequences for the world (i.e. nuclear Iran), but if the Obama administration gets something right I will not criticize them for criticism's sake.

That is Obama brought a solution , possibly a jihadist solution, to a problem he created
Posted by JFM 2011-08-22 19:08||   2011-08-22 19:08|| Front Page Top

#18 "Bush 43 instilled hil the fear of God and made him dismantle his nuclear program"

Really? More that fact that Libya was going to the crapper with the sanctions levied by the Euros. That's why he gave up his dream of a nuke (which wasn't even close to happening). You give Bush wayyyy to much credit.
Posted by Etienne 2011-08-22 19:10||   2011-08-22 19:10|| Front Page Top

#19 "The only credit he deserves is that no US personnel were killed in the war yet."

FTFY, Penguin.
Posted by Barbara 2011-08-22 19:28||   2011-08-22 19:28|| Front Page Top

#20 thx Etienne. Who knew those dreaded EU-sanctions could do so much? Ask Tehran.

*bzzzt* nice try
Posted by Frank G 2011-08-22 19:30||   2011-08-22 19:30|| Front Page Top

#21 Does anyone remember NYC talk radio host Bob Grant? Even in the 1970s, he would end each of his shows with, "Your influence counts. Use it! Get Qaddafi!"

Bob is having a very good week.
Posted by Eric Jablow  2011-08-22 20:47||   2011-08-22 20:47|| Front Page Top

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