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Obama seeks Palestine state on 1967 borders
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Posted by Fred 2011-05-20 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11126 views ]  Top

#1 What is the meaning of the "based on the 1967 lines?"

Is Obama calling for Egypt to return at least a significant part of Sinai to Israel?
Posted by Bertie Elmoluth3547 2011-05-20 00:53||   2011-05-20 00:53|| Front Page Top

#2 I think he means the day before the Six Day War, not the day after.
Posted by Steve White 2011-05-20 01:17||   2011-05-20 01:17|| Front Page Top

#3 I think I forgot to add a /sarc tag.

On a serious note, this is a prepared speech concerning an extremely sensitive and contentious matter. There's no excuse for using imprecise language here.

/sarc
Maybe Netanyahu should officially declare that Israel has no intention to follow Obama's suggestion to reoccupy the Sinai peninsula.
/sarc
Posted by Bertie Elmoluth3547 2011-05-20 02:07||   2011-05-20 02:07|| Front Page Top

#4 I love this country. I love it so much I have went to war for it.

But if it turns on Israel, I have no choice but to back Israel at all costs.

That means that there is a pecking order above.
They have corrupt leaders, America has EVIL leaders.

That relationship may not last with me.
It is my decision.
Posted by newc 2011-05-20 02:36||   2011-05-20 02:36|| Front Page Top

#5 That relationship may not last with me.
It is my decision.
Posted by newc
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Packing your bags should be your first decision....
"KICK ROCKS"
Posted by Play4Keeps 2011-05-20 05:10||   2011-05-20 05:10|| Front Page Top

#6 Newc, you fought for the noble principles that the founders of this country stood for. You will vanquish the domestic enemies of those principles. Totally and completely.
Posted by wr 2011-05-20 06:33||   2011-05-20 06:33|| Front Page Top

#7 Bambi really is completely stupid, or is deliberatly trying to destroy Israel. Considering his Islamic background, I'm betting on the latter.
Posted by DarthVader 2011-05-20 07:13||   2011-05-20 07:13|| Front Page Top

#8 Obama's speech is getting zero resonance in the Arab world and the Moslem world.

This shouldn't come as a surprise to Obama since anything other than complete submission isn't good enough. But it will surprise him anyway.

Is it possible that Obama and his advisers will now become Rantburg-like Islamorealists. Possible but doubtful. They will probably start immediately working on Obama's third Moslem world speech and think about more ways to say 'we respect you', 'we love you' etc.
Posted by Lord Garth 2011-05-20 07:28||   2011-05-20 07:28|| Front Page Top

#9 I would not be surprised if Zero is following the template of pretty much all world leaders since 1967 - sacrifice (or at least minimize support for) Israel so as to keep that Muslim oil flowing, as that oil is the only thing preventing total implosion of Western economies.
Posted by Glenmore 2011-05-20 07:36||   2011-05-20 07:36|| Front Page Top

#10 Israel will do what it always does.
Smile, say "interesting idea" and wait for the next US president.
Posted by European Conservative 2011-05-20 09:33||   2011-05-20 09:33|| Front Page Top

#11 EC. Won't be that simple. Hussien has given the enemies of Israel the green light. That the only super power will be more in their corner. They will try in every way to capitalize on that initiative as much as possible before the next election. That is one of the key messages Hussien sent out to the enemies of Israel.
Posted by Zenobia Threreger1533 2011-05-20 09:53||   2011-05-20 09:53|| Front Page Top

#12 An interesting perspective by John Podhoretz in Commentary: Did Obama Think He Was Giving a Pro-Israel Speech?

He opens the piece with
I expect the president is going to be flabbergasted at the angry response to his speech today from friends of Israel. I think he thought he had given the most pro-Israel speech of his life.

Why? Because of this line: “Too many leaders in the region tried to direct their people’s grievances elsewhere. The West was blamed as the source of all ills, a half-century after the end of colonialism. Antagonism toward Israel became the only acceptable outlet for political expression.” This acknowledgment of the use of Israel as a two-minute-hate object for the Arab street by the region’s dictators was surprising and remarkable.

And closes with
Given what he probably truly believes of Israel in his heart, his acknowledgment of its utility as a scapegoat, its security concerns, its right to determine its own future, and the problems raised by the Fatah-Hamas agreement surely seemed like the height of generous good feeling. And you should expect that interpretation any minute now from his Jewish apologists.

The president's Jewish apologists, not to mention his non-Jewish ones, seem very slow off the mark on this subject, other than the New York Times... but the NYT has moved into its own, extra-specially special category.
Posted by trailing wife 2011-05-20 10:39||   2011-05-20 10:39|| Front Page Top

#13 Zenobia
I don't expect much from those so-called "Arab revolutions". The islamists will benefit in the end.

And the next President will have other priorities than stabbing the only democracy in the Middle East in the back.
Posted by European Conservative 2011-05-20 10:42||   2011-05-20 10:42|| Front Page Top

#14 @trailing wife

The dangerous backside of this argument is: Just remove the "scapegoats" and the Arab world will turn into a democratic wonderland.

It's not going to happen. Arab countries should thank Allah every day for the fact that Israel exists. Without Israel, they'd be at each others throat.
Posted by European Conservative 2011-05-20 10:48||   2011-05-20 10:48|| Front Page Top

#15 Tribes, EC.

I think Margaret Meade said something about civilization being the movement away from tribes.
Posted by Bobby 2011-05-20 12:45||   2011-05-20 12:45|| Front Page Top

#16 LOL a Saudi troll calling for ACLU.. that's almost funny.
Posted by European Conservative 2011-05-20 14:15||   2011-05-20 14:15|| Front Page Top

#17 "Bambi really is completely stupid, or is deliberatly trying to destroy Israel."

No reason it can't be both, Darth. >:-(
Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2011-05-20 17:23||   2011-05-20 17:23|| Front Page Top

#18 1) I suppose Colonel West who stood up for Good over Obama's Evil is not an African American person? Or
2) JUSTINE is your typical ignorant leftist who 10 seconds into the facts start panicking and tries to use the old worn out race card.
Posted by Deadeye Shaiter9373 2011-05-20 17:52||   2011-05-20 17:52|| Front Page Top

#19 JUSTINE is your typical ignorant leftist who 10 seconds into the facts start panicking and tries to use the old worn out race card.

Even more exciting than that, Deadeye Shaiter9373. The lad is a genuine Saudi writing from the homeland itself. He visits Rantburg on his weekend, when he gets to stay up late because he doesn't have school the next day. This is the first time he's tried the race card -- yesterday he was all for converting us to Islam so we wouldn't be tormented in hell, but that wasn't as effective as he hoped.
Posted by trailing wife 2011-05-20 18:28||   2011-05-20 18:28|| Front Page Top

#20 "Packing your bags should be your first decision....
"KICK ROCKS""

If it comes to that. I prefer where I live. I fight here for now.
Posted by newc 2011-05-20 19:03||   2011-05-20 19:03|| Front Page Top

#21 Thanks TW for the excellent information and description.

Posted by Deadeye Shaiter9373  2011-05-20 20:04||   2011-05-20 20:04|| Front Page Top

#22 When Germany gets its 1936 borders back and millions of decedents of displaced Prussian and Silesian Germans get the 'right of return' to their lands and property. Losing wars have consequences.
Posted by Procopius2k 2011-05-20 22:30||   2011-05-20 22:30|| Front Page Top

#23 OK - riddle me this!

If the Israeli's had *lost* the 1967 war - would the jews be granted the 'right of return'? How about return to the previous borders?

No - they would have been 'put to the sword' - men, women, and children. Its been done before - by Mo himself no less! So its practically a holy command from Allah.

It's real hard to grant the dead the right of return.

The whole reason of the Palieos (who did not exist before as a people) and the refugee camps and all the rest -- is to win for Syria and the others Islamic states what they could not win on the battlefield - the eventual destruction of Israel and the murder of all of her people.
Posted by CrazyFool 2011-05-20 23:26||   2011-05-20 23:26|| Front Page Top

#24 Justice - you're still my burqa'd bitch -typing away in Mommy's dank basement
Posted by Frank G on the road 2011-05-20 23:42||   2011-05-20 23:42|| Front Page Top

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