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2010-12-04 Afghanistan

Marines Learn Lessons From Tragedy In Afghanistan

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Posted by Omeresing Chainter6299 2010-12-04 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11132 views ] Top

#1 and yet american commanders say the Brits are useless in helamnd, yeah, well, you will learn the hard way, like the brits did, over 300 dead, supporting their American 'allies'

Posted by pikestaff 2010-12-04 04:49|| 2010-12-04 04:49|| Front Page Top

#2 Go fuck yourself, Piss staff.

Posted by Whiskey Mike 2010-12-04 06:10|| 2010-12-04 06:10|| Front Page Top

#3 Same old, same old. Except for one interesting thing:

One of the Marines in the photos is from Beserkly, Caliphornia. One guy smart enough to find a way out of town!

Posted by Bobby 2010-12-04 08:16|| 2010-12-04 08:16|| Front Page Top

#4 and yet american commanders say the Brits are useless in helamnd,

Pikestaff, the British troops were severely limited by stupid orders from the top, coupled with a distinct lack of bullets, helicopters, and pretty much everything they needed to properly fight a local war. It wasn't the fault of the troops, or the officers with them, that they were not able to be effective in Helmand Province, it was the fault of the Ministry of Defence, and ultimately of the last several Labour prime ministers, who chose to put tax funds into council housing for terrorists' families instead.

Anyone who heard about that bayonet charge in Iraq because the patrol ran out of bullets knows it isn't a question about the troops. But the MoD made sure their troops couldn't do a bloody thing in Helmand, and the American generals noticed.

Posted by trailing wife 2010-12-04 09:27|| 2010-12-04 09:27|| Front Page Top

#5 ...it was the fault of the Ministry of Defence, and ultimately of the last several Labour prime ministers ...

I don't see the current Tory/LD coalition doing much to fix the problems at the MoD.

Posted by Steve White 2010-12-04 10:24|| 2010-12-04 10:24|| Front Page Top

#6 oikestaff, go check Basra, and the British command's incompetence and borderline cowardice when ti comes to ops. Helmand is a mess because the British command screwed it up, just liek Basra. As usual, we will fix it, thanks for keeping them busy until the real professionals could show up, condolences to those brave infantry who held the line in spite of their commander's ineptitude. Note that there is nothing wrong with the British troops except British leadership and politics (past and current).

Posted by OldSpook 2010-12-04 10:49|| 2010-12-04 10:49|| Front Page Top

#7 Sadly, as you look back through history, this is ALWAYS the problem with British troops. They are brave and good soldiers, but always hampered by the Upper Class Twits of the Year. Had they had competent leaders, a lot of the world would still be part of the British Empire.

Posted by Silentbrick - Lost Drill Bit Division - Halliburton 2010-12-04 11:54|| 2010-12-04 11:54|| Front Page Top

#8 Oh, it is past time we blew them sky high. I, respectfully, wish to say that I do not think we learn our lessons quickly enough. We've been doinking around over there for years now. This penny ante patrol crap should be replaced with precision air strikes and huge bombs, or give up the ghost and come home. I've had it.

Posted by Fire and Ice 2010-12-04 12:20|| 2010-12-04 12:20|| Front Page Top

#9 Had they had competent leaders, a lot of the world would still be part of the British Empire.
Including us, Silentbrick.

Posted by Glenmore 2010-12-04 13:02|| 2010-12-04 13:02|| Front Page Top

#10 Maybe, you have to remember that we were in effect, stealing the competent leaders belonging to them/us that were around at the time.

Posted by Silentbrick - Lost Drill Bit Division - Halliburton 2010-12-04 13:23|| 2010-12-04 13:23|| Front Page Top

#11 so much for 'civil' well reasoned discourse, whisky mike, pissed on whisky?

Posted by pikestaff 2010-12-04 14:18|| 2010-12-04 14:18|| Front Page Top

#12 Last night I posted this link as a prayer request. My girlfriend's niece is dating a Marine and is asking for everyone to say a prayer for "Darkhorse" 3rd Battalion 5th Marines and their families.They are fighting it out in Afghanistan and have lost 9 Marines in 4 days.

"Darkhorse" while in Iraq, fought in the liberation of Fallujah.

I am gratefull to the moderators for posting this story today. The above verbage regarding the 9 killed marines during the first 4 days of this mission has been spreading like wildfire as Americans are getting behind "Darkhorse".

"Darkhorse" 3rd Battalion 5th Marines, just as in Fallujah will make the adjustments and they are making the adjustments. Contrary to the British scenariou, they are the badass people who will take Hell-mond.

God Bless the Fight.

Posted by Check Prince of the Giants3877 2010-12-04 14:45|| 2010-12-04 14:45|| Front Page Top

#13 so much for 'civil' well reasoned discourse, whisky mike, pissed on whisky?

*sigh* Why is it that people ignore the picture next to "Rantburg" at the top of the page? pikestaff, the picture is of two old-fashioned gentlemen engaging in the kind of civil, well-reasoned discourse that used to be referred to as fisticuffs. Bare knuckled. Your opening salvo was, to be blunt, pissy. Not to mention disrespectful of those troops from both Britain and America (not to mention certain other countries' troops too often left unmentioned) who have given their lives and/or limbs in the fight to keep our women out of burkahs. Whiskey Mike (at one time a well known call sign in certain military circles, I've been told) was quite restrained in his response, compared to what he is capable of. OldSpook's post (#6) is what the very experienced American military of more recent vintage think -- he, too, was quite restrained, because you are new here.

"pikestaff" doesn't sound like the nym of a Brit who wants the jihadis to win. So then if beating the jihadis is the goal, shouldn't we team up together, instead of competing against each other?

Posted by trailing wife 2010-12-04 16:01|| 2010-12-04 16:01|| Front Page Top

#14 Welcome Aboard Rantburg, Pikestaff, and don't forget to duck ;-)

Posted by OldSpook 2010-12-04 16:35|| 2010-12-04 16:35|| Front Page Top

#15 Pikestaff:

It isn't over yet my boy. :-)

Posted by Besoeker 2010-12-04 17:47|| 2010-12-04 17:47|| Front Page Top

#16 When you have been Bslapped by TW you have discovered that a troll like snark gets one hurt around here...

Posted by 49 Pan aka bag-fob-rat 2010-12-04 18:47|| 2010-12-04 18:47|| Front Page Top

#17 Check Prince of the Giants3877 - All due respects to 3/5 and your honorable intention, it really isn't appropriate to post specifics about any unit.

Posted by Pappy 2010-12-04 23:01|| 2010-12-04 23:01|| Front Page Top

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