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2010-07-31 Fifth Column

Wikileaks soldier now in US military jail

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Posted by Fred 2010-07-31 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11125 views ] Top

#1 "I think it's important that no more damage be done to our national security," Gibbs told NBC television's "Today" show Friday.

I'm sure the "Present" administration will soon be able to say they've put a stop to further leaks. Of course, the fact that there's nothing left to leak may play a small part in this, but let's ignore that.

Posted by gorb 2010-07-31 00:11|| 2010-07-31 00:11|| Front Page Top

#2 Wikileaks' Assange denies 'blood on hands'

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2010-07-31 00:25|| 2010-07-31 00:25|| Front Page Top

#3 Wanted - Romantic roommate to share small one-room studio apartment and split expenses in Pound, Virginia. Must agree to lifetime lease. If you can't pay, I'm sure other arrangements can be made. If you think this might fit you, please call Bubba. 555-1212.

Posted by gorb 2010-07-31 00:27|| 2010-07-31 00:27|| Front Page Top

#4 Wikileaks' Assange denies 'blood on hands'

From that link:

Julian Assange told the BBC there was no evidence that any informants had died as a result of the leaks.

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Posted by gorb 2010-07-31 00:28|| 2010-07-31 00:28|| Front Page Top

#5 Article from the Oklahoman online, interviews with people who knew him back then.
Chera Moore, 23, was friends with Manning from kindergarten until he left Crescent in the first semester of his eighth-grade year. She said he was quiet outside of class but would always chime in when discussions in class turned toward politics or religion.

"He didn't hide his feelings on those things," Moore said. "He didn't agree with how stuff was being run. He didn't believe in God. He had a problem with the Pledge of Allegiance because of the 'under God' part. He had different views than everyone else in our class, and he didn't really care what anyone thought about it."

According to chat logs between Lamo and Manning, the soldier reportedly had dog tags custom made with "Humanist" listed as his religion.
Manning apparently got his high school education in the UK.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2010-07-31 00:36|| 2010-07-31 00:36|| Front Page Top

#6 If none of the informants has died yet, it is only because they went into hiding, and the Taliban haven't found them. But they will, they will.

And then Mr Assange will have lots of blood on his hands.

Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2010-07-31 00:38|| 2010-07-31 00:38|| Front Page Top

#7 Earlier this week, Assange told a mob of fawning media beasts:

It is not our role to play sides for states, he said. States have national security concerns, we do not have national security concerns.

Really? The Taliban considers itself a state, and it was internationally recognized as such at one time. Assange does not mind playing sides for them. The ongoing liquidation of American and Afghan government agents will certainly improve their security, and that of their client, Al Qaeda.

This is not free speech, it is mass murder and it was committed on behalf of one of the most brutal, misogynistic, and intolerant regimes to have existed since medieval times.

Assange is responsible for his actions. He should be arrested and jailed the very minute he sets foot in the United States. Every possible pressure should be brought to bear against the Australian and British governments to extradite him.

For that matter, both Australia and the UK have troops fighting in Afghanistan. Assange has materially harmed them as well. Why isn't he already in jail? Is treason legal in the Commonwealth these days?

There is no statute of limitations on this. We will very likely have a new administration in 2013. Assange is a marked man, even assuming that private actors don't get to him first. For that matter, there are potential state actors other than the cowardly regimes currently in power in the US, the UK, and Australia.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2010-07-31 01:22|| 2010-07-31 01:22|| Front Page Top

#8 To me, Assange comes across as a sociopathic narcissist. One of these "I must destroy the world to save it" people. I think he could be up to his neck in somebody else's blood and it wouldn't phase him in the least.
His ego's so big that he seems to think he's invulnerable to any consequences of his actions.
But I'll bet there are some people in this world right now with the means and the ability to do it who have recently made it their mission in life to take this smarmy little prick down. And down hard.

Posted by tu3031 2010-07-31 01:54|| 2010-07-31 01:54|| Front Page Top

#9 This is not insoluble. If he had the balls for it (ha ha!) the big Zero could have this babboon shot like a dog on the street, then he could use the President's ABSOLUTE power of pardons and paroles to pardon both himself and the shooters.
Failing that, private citizens or foreign operatives of some sort will have to take care of it.
Whatever happens, Assange has to know that he can never have a minute of peace for the rest of his (hopefully short) life. Is that gawky looking kid walking toward him on the sidewalk actually a master marksman with a suppressed pistol in the waistband of his jogging suit? Does that Volvo parked outside his neighbor's house conceal a bomb in the trunk? Is the cable guy really a cable guy? Is that old fart in the parking lot a former KGB agent and is there a nasty surprise in the tip of his umbrella?
I'm very glad I don't have to think about these things.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2010-07-31 05:55|| 2010-07-31 05:55|| Front Page Top

#10 While we're at it why isn't Ayres and Dorn, Cloward and Piven living in the same fear?

Posted by Hellfish 2010-07-31 08:49|| 2010-07-31 08:49|| Front Page Top

#11 Manning's final destination won't be Leavenworth, however. His destiny is ADX Florence. And only one man has ever left ADX Florence alive.

List of known alumni.

Posted by Anonymoose 2010-07-31 11:03|| 2010-07-31 11:03|| Front Page Top

#12 Correction. It used to be that only one man had ever left ADX alive. Now it's at least two.

Posted by Anonymoose 2010-07-31 11:04|| 2010-07-31 11:04|| Front Page Top

#13 #10 While we're at it why isn't Ayres and Dorn, Cloward and Piven living in the same fear?
Posted by: Hellfish 2010-07-31 08:49

My thoughts exactly, Hellfish.

Posted by WolfDog 2010-07-31 11:22|| 2010-07-31 11:22|| Front Page Top

#14 I have this jackass over in the "Just because you can doesn't mean you should", with the book burners and ground zero builders.

There was the question, what would W. have done? Nothing because he wouldn't have been given the option. Well the current commander in chief had the option, even if wiki people did not visit the wh staff its not like this came out of nowhere. The current CiC did not do everything possible to protect military mission and people.

If its a giant misinformation gig, I have a difficult time imagining the benifit justifying the collateral damage. So then at the least non-sinister, the White House shows a dangerous carelessness. Any congresscritters involved in the military committees should be pointed at as well.

So its difficult for me to be too upset with Assangle when the military let the secrets out and the cic does not seem to care. Hey, I know, let's tear out our gates so we can have a shiny trophy to look at.

Posted by swksvolFF 2010-07-31 11:26|| 2010-07-31 11:26|| Front Page Top

#15 You don't have to kill the guy, you ruin him. You wreck his credibility, his reputation, you make him an unreliable source. You turn him into an object of ridicule, like Sy Hersh or Peter Arnett or Dan Rather, taken seriously only by the lunatic fringe. That's a fate worse then death to a guy like this.

Posted by tu3031 2010-07-31 12:11|| 2010-07-31 12:11|| Front Page Top

#16 #10 While we're at it why isn't Ayres and Dorn, Cloward and Piven living in the same fear?

Because Ayres, Dorn, Cloward, Piven are of the same ilk as BO?

Posted by JohnQC 2010-07-31 12:55|| 2010-07-31 12:55|| Front Page Top

#17 Anon: thx for info. Put him in a cell with Larry Hoover. Burn the bones later...

Former Chicagoland Borgboy

Posted by borgboy 2010-07-31 16:22|| 2010-07-31 16:22|| Front Page Top

#18 OT: in Chicago "HOYAS" stands for "HOOVER'S ON YOUR A*S"!

Posted by borgboy 2010-07-31 16:28|| 2010-07-31 16:28|| Front Page Top

#19 Mind does odd things in your old age...

I see Cloward, this guy comes to mind:

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