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2009-07-16 Home Front: Politix

Soldier who says Obama isn't president doesn't have to deploy, Army says

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Posted by Nimble Spemble 2009-07-16 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11136 views ] Top

#1 "...Bambi is the duly-elected president..."

Not according to Nevada where it is now being found that ACORN related voter fraud swung the election to Obama away from McCain. This mealy mouth - oh this controversial topic is off limits while that other controversial topic regarding Obama is ok to pursue flies in the face of the "no holds barred any thing goes in love and war" against us, our candidates.

Soon as you people here realized this is a life and death street fight and start bringing anything and everything into mud and blood of this gangster government the better off this country will be. If you don't then get out of the rest of our goddamn way so we can do the job you won't do.

Posted by Patirot 2009-07-16 00:47|| 2009-07-16 00:47|| Front Page Top

#2 As per CONSPIRACY THEORIES, TODAY > VARI MIL FORUM POSTERS > claim that OSAMA BIN LADEN IS A US CIA AGENT-PROXY, + that XINJIANG is just the latest in a line of US-ordered [imperialist]DOMESTIC, REGIONAL + INTERNATIONAL TERROR ACTS BY PROXY [WTC I,II = 9-11, Somalia, Iraq, AFPAK, MUMBAI, + most recently XINJIANG]. MORE TO OCCUR.

* ISRAELI MIL FORUM > AL QAEDA: WESTERN SPIES ARE MULTIPLYING "LIKE LOCUSTS" AND IS
"PRETENDING ARE MUSLIMS". US-, PRO-US WESTERN/ALLIED INTEL are

- "everywhere in the LANDS OF ISLAM",
- are extremely effective.
- had left a bloody trail of many dead Islamsit fighters behind them.
- are successfully corrupting and recruiting ordinary Muslims to spy on other Muslims for them.

Also from ISRAELI MIL FORUM > YOUTUBE NEWS = HIZB-UT-TAHRIR IN THE UK + ISLAMIC TAKEOVER IN THE UK! + THIS IS HOW MUSLIMS ARE DESTROYING SWEDEN/GROWING MUSLIM INFLEUNCE IN SWEDEN [ Northern Europe.

* IRRC WAFF > WESTERN MEDIAS REFUSE TO RECOGNIZE THE ONGOING ISLAMIC JIHAD AGZ EUROPE [+ ASIA].

Posted by JosephMendiola 2009-07-16 01:17|| 2009-07-16 01:17|| Front Page Top

#3 Please have a nice cup of chamomile tea, Patirot dear. You're getting overwrought.

For the rest of you who feel the need to wax indignant over Fred's decision: I am asking you very nicely to put a sock in it while you are at Rantburg. If you need to wax indignant like Patirot, take that to a site focussed on American politics, of which there are a great many.

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2009-07-16 01:18|| 2009-07-16 01:18|| Front Page Top

#4 This case has an interesting development; he's been fired from his nominally civilian job with a government contractor.

Say what you will about Maj. Cook and his theories, this kind of, well, stinks to me; if he's going to be subject to disciplinary action it should be restricted to that performed judicially, IMHO.

I would have gotten tired of the birthers a long while ago, if the courts had ever done anything besides argue that noone has any legal standing to do anything. If there's a legitimate certificate out there, etc., then really, why argue the standing thing? It's like a legal argument that basically reduces to "shut up."

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2009-07-16 01:39|| 2009-07-16 01:39|| Front Page Top

#5 Wow! Why didn't I think of this? I could have asked my platoon commander for his college diploma to make sure his commission was legitimate, and refused all orders until he produced it.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2009-07-16 01:43|| 2009-07-16 01:43|| Front Page Top

#6 I have heard this soldier COWARD at Rantburg. A man who volunteered andserved the people here where you demand these young men and women throw everything including the kitchen sink at the enemy. The same brutal enemy that Obama who you people allowed into the Oval Office 6 months ago has released over and over during the past 6 months. With enough knowledge to try to do a better job of taking out U. S. Army Major Stefan Frederick Cook and every other young man and woman in uniform.

Because YOU lost the fight here you jeopardized the lives of everyone of our young people over there. Texas where I am from did not loose the fight. Obama did not win over us here in Texas. On July 4 we put 37,000 people up against Obama while I read hear your excuses for why YOU could barely muster only a few hundred at best "oh, because its such a blue state area around here".

Every damn one of our volunteers better pack it up and head home while they are still alive. Thanks to you. Because you people can't fight your way out of a paper sack, and you aren't worth dieing for any longer. And our people out there can see it now while you keep making up excuses for yourselves.

Maybe, just maybe, when they get back here, they can show you how to fight.

Posted by Patirot 2009-07-16 01:54|| 2009-07-16 01:54|| Front Page Top

#7 You dare to say such things here, Patirot? While I am only a silly little suburban housewife, it is the votes of people like me that kept Ohio from being a sure thing for the Democratic party. Because Obama had to spend so much time and money to campaign here, he did not have enough to blanket Texas, too. As for the rest, a good many of us have put -- or currently are putting -- their lives on the line out in one of the many sandboxes our men and women play in these days, or their children, spouses, friends... you get the picture. A great many others of us, including the site owner, whose comment at the top of this thread is in Post-it Note yellow, sacrificed their health in earlier military theaters that we might live in freedom to adulthood. Some of us are indeed armchair generals, but I know we have colonels and captains who post here, as well as master sergeants and corporals... from all branches of the American military and a surprising number of foreign ones.

So, when you have calmed down (I really do recommend chamomile tea for the purpose), perhaps you will choose to rethink your over-righteous indignation and instead help us figure out what the bad guys out there are trying to do, and how the good guys can stop them, preferably permanently.

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2009-07-16 02:22|| 2009-07-16 02:22|| Front Page Top

#8 reserve soldier who says he shouldn't have to go to Afghanistan because he believes Barack Obama was never eligible to be president, has had his deployment orders revoked,

Turnaround is fair play.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-07-16 05:42|| 2009-07-16 05:42|| Front Page Top

#9 If you don't then get out of the rest of our goddamn way so we can do the job you won't do.

You are quite free to set up your own web site using your own funds and skills, invest hours a day in maintaining it and defending it against trolls, hackers and spam scum and attracting a large audience and a posse of volunteer moderators.

No one's "in your way".

This is Fred's site. And under his leadership and direction we generally take a very light hand with regard to topics and comments. So it's a good idea to pay attention when multiple moderators patiently explain that some things don't belong here.

Now ... about the nirther theory. I haven't a clue about Obama's birth legality. I do think that going down this road is a trap for his opponents. Perhaps there's a useful role for fringe groups pushing the issue stridently but embracing this on the right / center is a losing proposition IMO.

Remember - Obama's after a) legalizing illegal immigrants, b) capturing them and legal immigrants for his party for generations and c) de-privileging dominant/historically White culture.

The nirthers are setting up a situation in which it will sooner or later be profitable for the far left to openly advocate for why citizenship doesn't or shouldn't matter. And THAT will resonate well with a lot of new voters, including 20-30 somethings born here.

Trying to provoke a Constitutional crisis in the absence of very very clear unConstitutional acts plays into the hands of those who don't give a damn about the Constitution anyway.

But even if I'm wrong that the nirther assertions are counterproductive for the center/right, it still remains the case that our esteemed and valued (and diverse) Rantburg contributors have been asked to drop this topic here.

If you truly believe this is a key issue for the survival of our country, our culture and our Constitition then by all means, organize and get the word out. It's a big Interwebs and you're free to find a place to do that to your liking.

Posted by lotp 2009-07-16 07:20|| 2009-07-16 07:20|| Front Page Top

#10 Cook further states he "would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President's command. ... simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties."

Again, its at the direction of Congress, not the President. Let's make the facts known - Senate Joint [meaning it passed both houses] Resolution 23

S.J.Res.23

One Hundred Seventh Congress

of the

United States of America

AT THE FIRST SESSION

Begun and held at the City of Washington on Wednesday,

the third day of January, two thousand and one

Joint Resolution

To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

Whereas, on September 11, 2001, acts of treacherous violence were committed against the United States and its citizens; and

Whereas, such acts render it both necessary and appropriate that the United States exercise its rights to self-defense and to protect United States citizens both at home and abroad; and

Whereas, in light of the threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by these grave acts of violence; and

Whereas, such acts continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States; and

Whereas, the President has authority under the Constitution to take action to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This joint resolution may be cited as the `Authorization for Use of Military Force'.

SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

(b) War Powers Resolution Requirements-

(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.

(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS- Nothing in this resolution supercedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.

Speaker of the House of Representatives.

Vice President of the United States and

President of the Senate.

Posted by Procopius2k 2009-07-16 08:30|| 2009-07-16 08:30|| Front Page Top

#11 The one thing I can say about Mr Obama it is that he has achieved: he incites anger and divisiveness across the political spectrum and the world. The man is a danger.

Posted by Lagom 2009-07-16 09:11|| 2009-07-16 09:11|| Front Page Top

#12 Soon as you people here realized this is a life and death street fight and start bringing anything and everything into mud and blood of this gangster government the better off this country will be. If you don't then get out of the rest of our goddamn way so we can do the job you won't do.

Every election in my lifetime has been nasty, with the possible exception of Eisenhower-Whatsisname. Kennedy's was particularly scurvy, involving Chicago's dead and the purchase of West Virginia -- if I remember, he got it for $7 a vote, which was pretty good money in those days.

I don't think any of us here has any illusion that B.O.'s administration's anything but corrupt. I try to keep the repetition down to a minimum, but occasionally I point out that

MONEY IS POWER. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S YOUR MONEY AS LONG AS IT'S YOUR POWER.

This administration and this Congress are going for the biggest boodle in human history. They're replacing the Dot Com Bubble and the Housing Bubble with the Government Bubble. Because we're a nation of laws rather than of Wise Latinas® all we can do about it is fight them in Congress and the courts and prepare for the 2010 elections -- see Page 6 for details. Looking for B.O.'s birth certificate doesn't accomplish those goals; it's more like looking around quick when somebody sez "Over there! Isn't that Elvis?" We've got enough problems, given Publican politicians' propensity for lining up Argentine mistresses or working deals with the Pelosi-Ried machine.

Presidential elections have been splitting 50-50. Come the revolution, there's no guarantee which 50's going to win. Since the stakes are so high, it pays us all to stay within the system until there's no alternative.

You can go to http://wordpress.org/download/ and download Wordpress. It's very simple to install blog software and it's so advanced there are lots of features I keep stealing from it for Rantburg. They can also point you at free hosting for your Wordpress blog. You can set up your blog to accommodate all the conspiracy theorists you want, though you'll have to filter your own comments, which will mostly Russian spammers at first. You can do the birth certificate, but you can also do the 911 conspiracy, Bilderberg, the Illuminati, the Threat of Masonry, and even the Rosicrucians if you'd like. But conspiracy theories are off topic at Rantburg.

Or you can set up a Texas is Great blog and tell the world how conservative the place is. Abeline and Del Rio and Lubbock probably still are. I dunno. I haven't been there for years. But you should pop on over to Austin and Houston to count the Californios and other boodlers there. Texas is a big place, and there's a lot of money there. We know what money attracts. If you've forgotten, see my comment about four paragraphs up.

Posted by Fred 2009-07-16 09:21|| 2009-07-16 09:21|| Front Page Top

#13 lol , why do I get the impression Patirot is some kind of fruitbat white supremacist with teenage angst issues.

great site Fred, dont expect muppets like Patirot to do work to enhance his greivances do you ? He just likes spouting his viralent form of absolute tripe

Posted by Tyranysaurus 2009-07-16 09:47|| 2009-07-16 09:47|| Front Page Top

#14 Or you can set up a Texas is Great blog and tell the world how conservative the place is. Abeline and Del Rio and Lubbock probably still are. I dunno. I haven't been there for years. But you should pop on over to Austin and Houston to count the Californios and other boodlers there. Texas is a big place, and there's a lot of money there. We know what money attracts. If you've forgotten, see my comment about four paragraphs up.

Here's a helpful hint: The Texans let the Attorney General in Travis County get away with jury tampering to get a prominent Republican congressman out of office. The most recent Texan president just spent eight years not responding to wall-to-wall partisan bullshit from the Democrats, and the most recent Texan presidential candidate before that helped elect the Clintons when he ran via a third party.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2009-07-16 10:12|| 2009-07-16 10:12|| Front Page Top

#15 Presidential elections have been splitting 50-50. Come the revolution, there's no guarantee which 50's going to win. Since the stakes are so high, it pays us all to stay within the system until there's no alternative.

If it really is a 50-50 country and it does come to a real revolution - which would be a terrible thing, to be avoided until there is no alternative - it's a good bet which 50 would win (how many rounds of ammo are in whose private hands?) But the country would end up a shadow of what it was and should be.

Posted by Glenmore 2009-07-16 11:03|| 2009-07-16 11:03|| Front Page Top

#16 Glenmore, you are right. Revolution is drastic thing not too be taken lightly. Our founding fathers build into our system the possibility of revolutionary change. We can vote out the scoundrels. I had a conversation with my daughter about violent overthrow and we came to the conclusion: Who would you shoot at in a revolution in this country? Someone that disagrees with you. We are fallible. A lot of innocents would suffer and die. Definitely not a good thing.

Posted by JohnQC 2009-07-16 11:51|| 2009-07-16 11:51|| Front Page Top

#17 Wow! I never heard about this before! You mean Obama is not really a citizen and still became president? This means Schwarzenegger might really have a shot!

Posted by HazeGrey 2009-07-16 12:00|| 2009-07-16 12:00|| Front Page Top

#18 No, Das Governator does not have a shot.

We've had too many republicans already trying to put republican faces on idiotic democratic policies.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2009-07-16 12:04|| 2009-07-16 12:04|| Front Page Top

#19 Who would you shoot at in a revolution in this country?

1. Every single Democrat politician at all (National, State & Local)levels.
2. Every single Democrat political appointee.
3. Every single Democrat judge, all levels (see above).
4. Every single RINO.
5. All the "Money People" that have corrupted the system with the buying of politicians.

Once that was done, we could take a break and see who else needed to be gone. Oh, Every single professor of any Dept. of ___________ Studies.

Posted by Injun Grinesing9686 2009-07-16 12:11|| 2009-07-16 12:11|| Front Page Top

#20 Have a simple question:
Wouldn't it be simpler just to have BO supply his bith certificate (or similar document)?

Now that one guy has gotten out of deployment by raising this issue, you can expect it to come up again and again. This will eventually become a sizeable drain on our forces as people shirk their duty.

Posted by Frozen Al 2009-07-16 12:25|| 2009-07-16 12:25|| Front Page Top

#21 I, for one, choose to align myself withThe Periwinkle Princess - We're in the middle of two wars, people. Let's focus on winning the one against the jihadis, while preventing the worst that the Obama Democrats can do before we vote them out of office in 2010 and 2012, respectively.

Still, there has been some interesting converation so far, mostly Fred and Company.

Thanks again for all you do. Now where's that tip jar?

Posted by Bobby 2009-07-16 12:36|| 2009-07-16 12:36|| Front Page Top

#22 I saw somewhere the other day that there are some 50+ or more lawsuits out there that center around questioning BO's citizenship. It will come up again and again.

Posted by JohnQC 2009-07-16 12:37|| 2009-07-16 12:37|| Front Page Top

#23 Injun Grinesing9686: While it might be comforting to mull such things over in one's mind, the world is not so crystal clear. Isn't it good that there is a forum for ideas here? We had a guy in Knoxville who hated liberals and went into the Unitarian Church thinking everyone there was liberal and shot the place up one Sunday. A couple of people died and several were wounded. The truth is that many people in the congregation held many and varied beliefs about just about everything. The net effect was that nearly everyone in the community united against the gunman. Democracy is harder than that; it's not so easy...

Posted by JohnQC 2009-07-16 12:48|| 2009-07-16 12:48|| Front Page Top

#24 He's a quitter in my book. I wouldn't respect him if he was my CO.

Posted by Thravitch Munster2630 2009-07-16 13:34|| 2009-07-16 13:34|| Front Page Top

#25 I certainly respect Fred's decision to control his site to topics that he wishes to discuss. But I don't understand the venom directed at a soldier simply asking that proof be provided that BO is a citizen. While I don't know much about this issue, it seems to me to be a bit of group-think to ridicule someone who in fact has a very simple request: Produce a birth certificate and say which hospital he was born in.

The fact that they are not making him deploy says less about the soldier's request than it does the leadership. Now, anyone who does not want to deploy can use this tactic.

For the record, I'm not making any comment about the birth issue - but rather the fact that the soldier has made a simple request and I don't think ridicule is in order.

Posted by Jumbo Slinerong5015 2009-07-16 14:13|| 2009-07-16 14:13|| Front Page Top

#26 Thanks, TW, the position on this subject is clear. If Zimbabweans complain about voting irregularities, they must suck it and see for a few years? I do understand the concern re this subject, but surely Well Reasoned Discourse is the way forward with this one. The story won't die just because we don't talk about it.

Posted by rhodesiafever">rhodesiafever 2009-07-16 14:27|| 2009-07-16 14:27|| Front Page Top

#27 Attention Nirthers: look here and here. Now go away.

Posted by DMFD 2009-07-16 14:38|| 2009-07-16 14:38|| Front Page Top

#28 Ok, DMFD, that was my venture into the unreasonable...

Posted by rhodesiafever">rhodesiafever 2009-07-16 15:10|| 2009-07-16 15:10|| Front Page Top

#29 If every soldier, sailor, airman and Marine demanded individual assurances of the CinC's qualification there'd be a certain impact on operations, wouldn't there?

Posted by Fred 2009-07-16 15:54|| 2009-07-16 15:54|| Front Page Top

#30 Obama could provide his birth certificate again just as NASA could return to the same spots on the moon they already landed to prove they did so before. At some point the burden of proof is on the crazies and to be honest nothing is going to convince most of them at this point (he waited so long because they had to make a new birth certificate!!!).

let it go. The birth certificate nonsense makes it easy to pigeon-hole the right as nuts.

Posted by rjschwarz 2009-07-16 16:16|| 2009-07-16 16:16|| Front Page Top

#31 Yes, Fred, with the greatest respect. Exactly what happened during the Rhodesia/Zimbabwe transition. The RLI did not want to fight for Mugabe. I am not advocating dhimmitude in the GWOT. But POTUS this time inspires no confidence even thousands of miles away.

Posted by rhodesiafever">rhodesiafever 2009-07-16 17:13|| 2009-07-16 17:13|| Front Page Top

#32 Here is the best discussion of the birth certificate issue on the internet, and in video form no less.

Sorry, I couldn't embed the video.

Posted by badanov 2009-07-16 17:15|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2009-07-16 17:15|| Front Page Top

#33 The American military does not fight for Obama. It fights for the United States and their Constitution. Obama will begone in 3 or 7 years. Then the Electoral College will select a new Commander in Chief.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2009-07-16 18:02|| 2009-07-16 18:02|| Front Page Top

#34 Wouldn't it be simpler just to have BO supply his bith certificate (or similar document)?

Why should he? While the nirthers are in a lather over this conspiracy theory, Obama's quite effectively dismantling the military and economic power of a country he really doesn't seem to like very much.

Now that one guy has gotten out of deployment by raising this issue, you can expect it to come up again and again. This will eventually become a sizeable drain on our forces as people shirk their duty.

Again, assuming this in fact happens, do you think this administration would see that as a negative?

Posted by lotp 2009-07-16 20:17|| 2009-07-16 20:17|| Front Page Top

#35 Today's action

A federal judge this morning dismissed the suit filed here by a U.S. Army reservist who says he shouldn't have to go to Afghanistan because he believes Barack Obama was never eligible to be president.

Judge Clay Land sided with the defense, which claimed in its response to Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook's suit, filed July 8 with the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia, that Cooks suit is moot in that he already has been told he doesnt have to go to Afghanistan, so the relief he is seeking has been granted.

"Federal court only has authority of actual cases and controversies," Land said. "The entire action is dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction."

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2009-07-16 20:34|| 2009-07-16 20:34|| Front Page Top

#36 aka: GIVE IT A REST!

jeebus

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2009-07-16 20:54|| 2009-07-16 20:54|| Front Page Top

#37 Since we're bringing this to a close, I get to chip in:

I'm somewhat mystified why the mods at Rantburg and LGF are so opinionated on this issue. Better to just ignore the trolls. In the case of LGF, I get the impression that Charles is happy to stir it up every few weeks to get the hits.

I consider myself pretty level-headed. Over the last year, I've followed the issue fairly closely, and I don't think it's clear-cut at all.

There is no question that the Certificate of Live Birth is genuine. But it's not the birth certificate, they look like this.

I want to see the name of the hospital. Reason? Because of technicalities regarding his parent's US residency, Obama had to be born on Hawaiian soil to be natural born.

I'm surprised that Rantburg would pick up the leftist smear "nirther" and use it against those trying to have a quiet discussion.

You guys are lumping people who would like to be informed on this issue with groups that indulge in conspiracy theories.

Where's the conspiracy? That's a false accusation, imho. This is simply a case of a man who has stonewalled every record request - for health, college transcripts, etc. etc. A lot of effort has been spent to avoid disclosing something that the US citizens have a right to see, because there is a reasonable doubt over the matter.

The issue is radioactive for the courts. To essentially claim that no one has standing to bring suit is remarkable on its own.

Yes, this may go nowhere. But I'll bet that this will get more interesting before it's finally resolved.

Posted by KBK 2009-07-16 23:34|| 2009-07-16 23:34|| Front Page Top

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