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2009-01-15 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Israeli army shells Gaza as ceasefire talks progress - imagine that!

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Posted by gorb 2009-01-15 04:50|| || Front Page|| [1 views ] Top
File under: Hamas

#1 I would like to see Israel break Hamas' back this time and force them to accept Israel's right to exist, among other things. That whole society is poisoned on hate and death.

Dozens could be seen fleeing on foot as explosions sent plumes of smoke skyward.
Why are they fleeing? I thought they wanted death like Israelis wanted life?

Posted by bigjim-ky 2009-01-15 07:11|| 2009-01-15 07:11|| Front Page Top

The following comment is Paleo propaganda.

THOU SHALL NOT KILL, PERIOD.

All followers of the three (3) great Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity
and Islam believe in the Ten (10) Commandments. In our humble opinion,
if anyone killed another innocent human being or himself, he is neither a Jew,
nor a Christian, nor a Muslim, because he disobeyed one of the most important
Commandments of Almighty God (Allah): Thou Shall Not Kill (MURDER)!
..

Given below are some of the verses from the Holy Quran and Holy Bible
in support thereof, referring to the number of Surah (Chapter) first followed
by the number of Ayah (Verse), later (from an English translation of the
Holy Quran by Mr. Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall).

Yet ye (Children of Israel) it is who slay each other and drive out a
party of your people from their homes, supporting one another against
them by sin and transgression, and if they came to you as captives ye
would ransom them, whereas their expulsion was itself unlawful for you.
Believe ye in part of the Scripture and disbelieve ye in part thereof?
(2:85)

Lo! those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah (God Almighty),
and slay the Prophets wrongfully, and slay those of mankind who
enjoin equity: announce them a painful doom. (3:21)

O ye who believe! eat not up your property among yourselves in
vanities: but let there be amongst you traffic and trade by mutual
good-will: nor kill (or destroy) yourselves (commit suicide): for verily
Allah hath been to you Most Merciful. (4:29)

Never should a believer kill a believer; but (if it so happens) by mistake
(compensation is due): if one (so) kills a believer, it is ordained
that he should free a believing slave and pay compensation to the
deceased's family, unless they remit it freely. If the deceased belonged
to a people at war with you and he was a believer, the freeing of a
believing slave (is enough). If he belonged to a people with whom ye have
a treaty of mutual alliance, compensation should be paid to his family
and a believing slave be freed. For those who find this beyond their
means (is prescribed) a fast for two months running: by way of repentance
to Allah: for Allah hath all knowledge and all wisdom. (4:92)

If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide
therein (for ever): and the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him
and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him. (4:93)

For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever
killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the
earth, it shall be as if be had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the
life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our
messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's
sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in
the earth. (5:32)

They are losers who besottedly have slain their children without
knowledge, and have forbidden that which Allah bestowed upon them,
inventing a lie against Allah. They indeed have gone astray and are not
guided. (6:140)

Say: "Come I will rehearse what Allah hath (really) prohibited you from":
join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents: kill not your
children on a plea of want; We provide sustenance for you and for them;
come not nigh to shameful deeds whether open or secret; take not life,
which Allah hath made sacred except by way of justice and law: thus doth
He command you that ye may learn wisdom. (6:151)

O Prophet! when believing women come to thee to take the oath of
fealty to thee that they will not associate in worship any other thing
whatever with Allah that they will not steal, that they will not commit
adultery (or fornication), that they will not kill their children, that they
will not utter slander intentionally forging falsehood, and that they
will not disobey thee in any just matter then do thou receive their
fealty and pray to Allah for the forgiveness (of their sins): for Allah
is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful. (60:12)

Kill not your children for fear of want: We shall provide sustenance
for them as well as for you: verily the killing of them is a great sin.
(17:31)

And slay not the life which Allah hath forbidden save with right.
Whoso is slain wrongfully, We have given power unto his heir, but let
him not commit excess in slaying. Lo! he will be helped. (17:33)

And those who cry not unto any other god along with Allah, nor take
the life which Allah hath forbidden save in (course of) justice, nor
commit adultery and whoso doeth this shall pay the penalty; (25:68)

THOU SHALL NOT MURDER (Holy Bible).

1. Exodus 20:13

"You shall not murder.

Exodus 20:12-14 (in Context) Exodus 20 (Whole Chapter)
2. Numbers 35:12

They will be places of refuge from the avenger, so that a person accused of murder may not die before he stands trial before the assembly.

Numbers 35:11-13 (in Context) Numbers 35 (Whole Chapter)
3. Numbers 35:16

If a man strikes someone with an iron object so that he dies, he is a murderer; the murderer shall be put to death.

Numbers 35:15-17 (in Context) Numbers 35 (Whole Chapter)
4. Numbers 35:17

Or if anyone has a stone in his hand that could kill, and he strikes someone so that he dies, he is a murderer; the murderer shall be put to death.

Numbers 35:16-18 (in Context) Numbers 35 (Whole Chapter)
5. Numbers 35:18

Or if anyone has a wooden object in his hand that could kill, and he hits someone so that he dies, he is a murderer; the murderer shall be put to death.

Numbers 35:17-19 (in Context) Numbers 35 (Whole Chapter)
6. Numbers 35:19

The avenger of blood shall put the murderer to death; when he meets him, he shall put him to death.

Numbers 35:18-20 (in Context) Numbers 35 (Whole Chapter)
7. Numbers 35:21

or if in hostility he hits him with his fist so that he dies, that person shall be put to death; he is a murderer. The avenger of blood shall put the murderer to death when he meets him.

Numbers 35:20-22 (in Context) Numbers 35 (Whole Chapter)
8. Numbers 35:25

The assembly must protect the one accused of murder from the avenger of blood and send him back to the city of refuge to which he fled. He must stay there until the death of the high priest, who was anointed with the holy oil.

Numbers 35:24-26 (in Context) Numbers 35 (Whole Chapter)
9. Numbers 35:27

and the avenger of blood finds him outside the city, the avenger of blood may kill the accused without being guilty of murder.

Numbers 35:26-28 (in Context) Numbers 35 (Whole Chapter)
10. Numbers 35:30

" 'Anyone who kills a person is to be put to death as a murderer only on the testimony of witnesses. But no one is to be put to death on the testimony of only one witness.

Numbers 35:29-31 (in Context) Numbers 35 (Whole Chapter)

Posted by qazi">qazi 2009-01-15 08:04|| 2009-01-15 08:04|| Front Page Top

The following comment is Paleo propaganda.

What the Jews think about Gentiles (Non-Jews).
This article appeared in the magazine Free At Last under the title
American Law, Fact, Fraud,
and Insidious Insiders
Galatians, 4:16: Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Wecontinue to be amazed with the ease by which Christian Americans have fallen into our handsnaïve Americanswe have TAUGHT them to SUBMIT to our every demandAmericans have not had a presidential choice since 1932. Roosevelt was our man; every president since Roosevelt has been our man. Wehave put issue upon issue to the American people. Then we PROMOTE BOTH SIDES of the issue as confusion reigns.
With their eyes fixed on the issues, they fail to see who is BEHIND EVERY scene. Wetoy with the American public as a cat toys with a mouse. The blood of the masses will flow as we wait for our day of WORLD victoryThe naïve politicians in WASHINGTON are gullible. Most of them are not too brightthe powerfullobbyists influencedyears ago (federal funds to aid Israel) and there is no one strong enough to stop itsome of that money is returned to the United States and spent on Zionist propagandathrough Bnai BrithConference of Jewish Organizations World Jewish Congresstax free so long as we are smart enough to get away with it
ANTI-SEMITISM does NOT signify opposition to Semitism. THERE IS NO SUCH THING. It is an expression weuse effectively as a SMEARWORD used to brandanyone who brings criticism against (us)We use it against HATE-mongers (we) do so. Thats all there is to it.
Id say more than 90% (of us) know what is really happening to our people. We have COMMUNICATION unequalledIt is an established rule to destroy all members of pre-existing governmentthe Police, State Police, Army officers and their families and relativesIn Russia, there are TWO distinct GOVERNMENTS one visible and the other invisibleThe INVISIBLE rulers in the communist countries have a world CONTROL over the propaganda and the governments in free countries. The cultural and intellectual influence of Judaism is felt throughout the entire worldMONEY is more important than morality.
We can accomplish anything with moneyIsrael can now win in any encounterIt will also be the base for World Government Headquarters. We CONTROL EVERY MEDIA of expressionnewspaper , magazines, radio, televisioneven your music! We CENSORbefore long we will have COMPLETE CONTROL of your thinking
The richest plum(we) took over the publication of ALL SCHOOL MATERIALScould MOLD public opinion to suit OUR PURPOSES. The people are only stupid pigs that grunt and squeal the chants we give themtruth or lies. There is no silent majorityonly thing that exists is an UNTHINKING majority and unthinking they will remaintheir ESCAPE from our rigorous service is the opiate of our ENTERTAINMENT industry. We have castrated society through FEAR and INTIMIDATION. Its manhood exists only in combination with a feminineappearance being so neutered, the populace has become DOCILE and EASILY RULEDtheir thoughtsonly with the present toil and the next mealYou have become addicted to our MEDICINE through which we have become your absolute masters.
We pretty much CONTROL the U.NThere will be a forced class warfare here in the United States and many will be liquidatedIm not boastingIm giving you the facts! It is TOO LATE for your Christian followers to put up a DEFENCE Long, long ago we HAD to become the AGGRESSORSthat is undoubtedly one of our great PURPOSES in life
Religionour CONTROL of the textbook industrynews mediaable to hold ourselves up as AUTHORITIESour rabbis now hold professorships in supposed Christian theological seminaries. We are amazed by the Christians stupidity Judaism is not only the teaching of the synagogue, but also the doctrine of every Christian Church in America. Through our propaganda the church has become our most avid supportertheir believing in the lie that we are the chosen people and they, the gentiles. These deluded children of the church defend us to the point of DESTROYING their own cultureThe ignorant Christiansattack the crusaders even if they are members of their own familiesThrough our influence of religion we were able to involve the ignorant white Christians in WARS against themselves, which always impoverished both sides while we reaped a financial and political harvest
Through religion we have gained CONTROL of society, government and economics. The gullible clergyinstruct their parishioners that we are a special, chosen peopleThese PULPIT PARROTS extol our goodness for loaning them the MONEY to build their temples, never realizing that their own holy book condemns all USURY pay our exorbitant INTERESTthey have led society into our CONTROL through the same practice.
Politically, they hail the blessings of DEMOCRACY and never understand that through DEMOCRACY we have gained CONTROLDEMOCRACY is mob-rule which we CONTROL through their churches, our news media and economic institutionsThese RELIGIOUS PUPPETS stupidity is only exceeded by their cowardice, for they are ruled easily
************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *
On Control, you may remember the 8/12/1976 sky-jacking of an Israeli jetliner in Istanbul, Turkey, in which four people were killed and some thirty injured. Aboard was the administrative assistant for then-U.S. Senator Jacob K. Javits (a Jew) of New York, 29 year-old Harold W. Rosenthal (a Jew), whose unfortunate murder that day was not from random bullets that killed the others. Evidence indicates that his was pre-planned, making me wonder if it was due to his lengthy, boastful interview with American Christian editor Walter White.
Please read the full interview at the following link. It is titled The Hidden Tyranny and I hope from the brazen words above you will see why.
http://www.rense. com/general66/ rosen.htm

Posted by qazi">qazi 2009-01-15 08:04|| 2009-01-15 08:04|| Front Page Top

The following comment is Paleo propaganda.

Why blame Islam?

Individuals, not religions, carry out inhuman acts.

Islam is a religion of peace, accepted and practiced by more than 1.25 billion people worldwide. It is the fastest-growing religion in the world, and if it was what some critics claim, why should the people from all walks of life from around the world keep embracing Islam? Where is the sword now?

In Islam, a person has the right to defend himself, his family, his country or his neighbor(s), which justifies the resistance being offered by the people of Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya, Iraq, Kashmir and Palestine, to attacks on their soils by the so-called liberators, who are actually the occupiers.

The Holy Quran clearly states that if a person saves one life, its as if he saved humanity, and if a person kills one human being, its as if he killed humanity.

What is happening in the enslaved Muslim countries is a natural reaction to occupation, bombings, killing and terrorizing of innocent civilians (children, old men and women), rapes, in addition to looting of resources, national antiques and artifacts, above all the destruction of their property by the occupiers.

Terror breeds terror.

We assure those who bash Islam that if there was no occupation in this world by foreign invaders, there would be no resistance the so-called terror.

Please explain criminal acts committed by Christians and Jews on Jews, other Christians and Muslims alike, throughout history:

Posted by qazi">qazi 2009-01-15 08:05|| 2009-01-15 08:05|| Front Page Top

The following comment is Paleo propaganda.

The solution is not a two state solution. The solution is REAL democracy in which the Arabs that were displaced by the Jews have the SAME voting rights as their Jewish counterparts. The real problem is that Israel is afraid of democracy because it feels that it cannot maintain a 'Jewish' state if real democracy is implemented because Arabs will soon outnumber Jews.

The racist mantra of a "Jewish state" that gone on to become the guiding directive of Israel's behavior is a relic of early 20th century thought and needs to be outlawed. Race based states are illegitimate. We knew that with South Africa. We know it with Zimbabwe. And it's time that the world punished Israel which is the MOST VIOLENT of all of the race based states.

Israel will never live side-by-side with anyone in peace as long as they cling to a race based state policy.

Peace requires respect for others. Racism is the antithesis of respect for others.

Israeli racism leads to the daily occurrence of children being stoned on their way to school, of the elderly being used as target practice by IDF soldiers, of crops, orchards, and other non-Israel dependent sources of food being destroyed without compensation, of houses being destroyed. And these acts have occurred non-stop for the last 60 years.

The saddest part about the events is that we are seeing a race-based response from Western nations to Israel's atrocities. In the Sudan, where blacks are attacking blacks then sanctions are imposed, troops must be placed, etc.

When Russia entered Georgia last October, it was IMMEDIATELY censured by the West, and aid INCLUDING MILTARY supplies was sent to Georgia. Threats were made against Russia to shut off funding, and impose sanctions even though Russia CAUSED LESS LOSS OF LIFE in Georgia than Israel has caused in Gaza.

However when Israel causes death, fires on international targets, kills medical personnel, shoots ambulances, uses banned weapons, attacks the freedom of the press by preventing journalists from seeing the Israeli actions for themselves, and rams relief vessels trying to bring food and medical aid, the West gives Israel a few harsh words, and EVEN MORE MONEY and weapons.

The message is clear. If non-whites are attacking each other, then something should be done to stop it. If white are attacking whites then something MUST be done to stop it.

However if whites are attacking non-whites, then the murder and violation of international laws are apparently all justifiable because those non-whites are just so horrible.

I don't believe that this message is one that most Westerners would agree with, but it is DEFINIATELY the one that they are letting their governments send to the world.

Posted by kaddie001">kaddie001 2009-01-15 08:14|| 2009-01-15 08:14|| Front Page Top

#6 thanks for the pro-Paleo proaganda, worthless tools. Bomb the f*ckers to the death they crave so much.

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2009-01-15 08:39|| 2009-01-15 08:39|| Front Page Top

#7 O brave Lion of Islam! Your goat is calling, she's lonely.

Posted by Grunter 2009-01-15 08:53|| 2009-01-15 08:53|| Front Page Top

#8 Oh my. Thank you, qazi/kaddie001. I almost fell off my chair laughing at the spectacle of ignorance you made so publicly of yourself this morning. But congratulations on learning how to cut and paste so well -- no doubt you will soon be ready to be promoted to first grade. In first grade you will be taught how to read, and then you can see if the sources you so excitedly quote actually wrote what you have been told by those no less ignorant than you. Good luck, my dear qazi/kaddie, and work hard so that you might someday achieve that which separates humans from the lower animals.

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2009-01-15 08:56|| 2009-01-15 08:56|| Front Page Top

#9 10,000 rockets against civilians in Sderot; and you have the nerve to quote "Thou shalt not murder."

Posted by mom">mom 2009-01-15 09:04|| idontknowbut.blogspot.com]">[idontknowbut.blogspot.com] 2009-01-15 09:04|| Front Page Top

#10 Tell us more about how Jihad = peace. And how murdering infidels insures a ticket to paradise. It's in the Koran.

Islam is evil. Satanic verses, indeed!

Posted by Scooter McGruder 2009-01-15 09:16|| 2009-01-15 09:16|| Front Page Top

#11 In case you think that nobody is answering your 'arguments' - its just that we get a lot of chew-toys around here who cut-and-paste the same lies as you. Its self evident that your full of crap. You see here we are not ignorant of your arguments - we know them very well indeed.

Islam is the fastest growing religion? If so its only by birthright, forced retention, and lets not forget forced conversions (after being gang-raped and then being sold as sex slaves) and not by choice. Also note that the mainstream 'Islamic' scolars do not denounce such actions and they are not isolated incidents - because they are allowed by your Koran and were practiced by your 'prophet' (piss be upon him).

And lets not forget that the islamic 'god' is so pathetic that he has to force people to worship him - to leave Islam is to get a death penalty.
Heck your 'god' is so pathetic he doesn't even allow his slave to hear of other religions - terrified that they learn the truth and become free.

The sword is there and in full career - along *all* the borders of the Islamic world. Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, India, Africa, Russia (Beslan), Europe, UK, Australia, etc...

Sorry but reality bites your argument on the ass and shows that Islam is *not* a religion of peace. Islam means 'submission' - and not voluntary either.

Funny - Israel lives side by side with Jordan and Egypt. Arabs and Muslims in Israel have full voting rights. Hmm... looks like reality is once again calling you a liar.

Posted by CrazyFool 2009-01-15 09:20|| 2009-01-15 09:20|| Front Page Top

#12 Islam the fastest growing religion? Why then do the Muslim clerics state with alarm that there have been 6 million Muslim apostasies per year since 2001, considerably more than the claimed rate of of conversions to Islam. Like poor, dear qazi/kaddie, Muslims who used to think the world ended at the border of Dar al Islam are discovering that it does not, and many are more capable of rational thought than he.

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2009-01-15 09:47|| 2009-01-15 09:47|| Front Page Top

#13 The faster you worthless fucks assume room temperature, the happier I will be.

Posted by DarthVader 2009-01-15 11:00|| 2009-01-15 11:00|| Front Page Top

#14 The "fastest growing religion" is yet an another false argument used by the Master Religion to booster the rubes; most, if not almost the totality of it comes from exponential birthrates (falling throughout many islamic countries, still. True, islam is an assertive ideological force with a real forward drive, but as far as i know, even in France where islam DRIVES the religious landscape (aid, ramadan,... are much more covered and promoted by the MSM and the chattering class than any Christian holidays, hala meat is an huge market that every supermarket franchise targets intenseively,...), well... according to what's known, there are about 10 000 conversion FROM islam to Christianity (mostly evangelicals & Charismatic Catholics, very few Catholiics, the french official Catholic church is neutered by PCness and multiculturalism and DISCOURAGE conversions), often wimmen, funnily enouff, A YEAR... as compared to the 50 000 converts to islam as a whole in France according to the RG police intelligence (ok, let's say, 100 000, for the sake of it), who happens to usually be people converted after marrying a muslim.
Of course, this remains very marginal (10 000 a year out of a 8-10, possibly 10-13? millions muslim total in France, most probably), but, who converts out of free will and deliberate choice the most???
The HUGE threat posed by islam is not one of conversion (though it may ultimately become, once critical mass is achieved, and all the ennemies of the european way convert to the strong horse, someday), as the imams and the Holy Men gloats to the northern african masses, it is of a massive, unprecedented arrival of muslim COLONIZERS into non-muslim lands... when people are given the choice, like the ten of thousands of iranian expats that freely convert to Christinaity in the USA, they usually choose a transcending religion with some actual spirituality, not some dumbass tribal law and disguized paganism that is nothing more than a collection of do and don't centered on submitting to arab imperialism and obsessed by bodily functions.

Anyway, the fastest growing religion is supposedly, according on your criteria, either evangelical Christianity (see china, africa), or Crowleyanism lite, aka wicca.

Posted by anonymous5089 2009-01-15 11:39|| 2009-01-15 11:39|| Front Page Top

#15 Two things bother me here. First is Israel and their constant bowing to a ceasfire. In my humble opinion they should continue with their fight until Gaza in in total surrender. The press and the UN are going to call any conflict Jew agression anyway. Israel needs to get back and read the tea leaves. The strong US support is going to get weaker and weaker with the new prez. Listening to our new prez it sounds to me like we will go into a Carter type admin and stay hands off of Iran and their wars. Israel need to get this finished, their existance is at stake.

Second is who is coaching these Palestinians on their IO operations. They are diong a great job of defeating Israel in the world view. We should learn something from this and use our capabilities to counter it.

Posted by 49 Pan 2009-01-15 12:16|| 2009-01-15 12:16|| Front Page Top

#16 "Nothing clarifies the mind like the prospect of being hanged in the morning."

Posted by mojo 2009-01-15 14:25|| 2009-01-15 14:25|| Front Page Top

#17 Qazi & kaddie - thanks for sharing.

Since you ~~stole~~ took up so much of Fred's bandwidth with your ~~bullshit~~ missives, I'm sure you've both made handsome donations to him for hosting your ~~horseshit ravings~~ thoughts.

Haven't you?

*What's that chirping sound?*

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2009-01-15 14:57|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/] 2009-01-15 14:57|| Front Page Top

#18 Salman Rushdie let the cat out of the bag 18 yrs ago and looks like he hit the bullseye

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