Article

2008-06-02 Home Front: WoT

US accused of holding terror suspects on prison ships

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by Steve White 2008-06-02 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11132 views ] Top

#1 Actually, I have it on good knowledge that they are being held on the space station. The recent broken toilet? Yep, koran flushing.

Posted by ed 2008-06-02 01:44|| 2008-06-02 01:44|| Front Page Top

#2 I don't find the sources listed in this article in the least.

But, I will say, that we've had eight years to figure this stuff out. Why we don't have a coherent plan to deal with accused terrorists STILL is mystifying to me, and an indictment of the current administration.

Posted by Mizzou Mafia 2008-06-02 02:57|| 2008-06-02 02:57|| Front Page Top

#3 The missing word is "credible" in the first sentence. Preview is your friend.

Posted by Mizzou Mafia 2008-06-02 02:58|| 2008-06-02 02:58|| Front Page Top

#4 Great minds think alike, Ed.

We'll never be able to 'prove' there are no 'secret' prisons...

Posted by Bobby 2008-06-02 06:21|| 2008-06-02 06:21|| Front Page Top

#5 Mizzou Mafia, if we lack a 'credible' plan to deal with terrorists it's because they (deliberately) fall through the cracks in international agreements which presuppose that attacks will be made by sovereign states.

If you have a brilliant proposal for doing so that the current administration has missed, we're breathlessly awaiting enlightenment. I haven't heard one yet and I work with people who deal with counter-terrorism every day.

Posted by lotp 2008-06-02 07:17|| 2008-06-02 07:17|| Front Page Top

#6 #1 Actually, I have it on good knowledge that they are being held on the space station. The recent broken toilet? Yep, koran flushing.

LOL! Top Snark ed!

Posted by RD">RD 2008-06-02 07:43|| 2008-06-02 07:43|| Front Page Top

#7 lotp, I have a suggestion. Stop taking prisoners. I have another suggestion. Announce that we will begin to run the war pursuant to the Geneva Conventions and that terrorists will receive summary executions. Then implement the policy.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-06-02 07:49|| 2008-06-02 07:49|| Front Page Top

#8 If you have a brilliant proposal for doing so that the current administration has missed, we're breathlessly awaiting enlightenment.

Shoot illegal combattants and people who violate the rules of war like wearing of uniforms, not uising hospitals and religious buildings.

Very important is, educationg people that theses are part of the Genava Conventions. That teh Ganeva conventions were for protecting civilians and not for giving an edge to bad guys. That in aorder to avoid that, they allow between other things the freing of the hands of the pother ide when one side violates them them and the shooting of the offenders. That these proviosna re essntial for protecting civilains since they remove the incentive to cheat.

I admit ikt is a un uphill struggle since we havce to revert the work of decades of communist-inspired propaganda aimed at tying the hands of western armies when fighting Vietcong, FLN, Khmer Rouges and similar pseudo liberation movements.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2008-06-02 07:52|| 2008-06-02 07:52|| Front Page Top

#9 Stop taking prisoners

Much of what we know about the covert terror networks has come from prisoner interrogation.

Posted by lotp 2008-06-02 08:01|| 2008-06-02 08:01|| Front Page Top

#10 How about this. Shoot illegal combatants on site. BUT, just before you shoot them take them somewhere and interrogate the secretly. After that is done, finish the shooting process. Win win.

Posted by Hellfish 2008-06-02 08:24|| 2008-06-02 08:24|| Front Page Top

#11 Much of what we know about the covert terror networks has come from prisoner interrogation.

Then give the illegal combatants a choice. Intel or implementation of 'sterner' side of the GC.

We have to implement the sterner side against Illegal Combatants or the GC will have no value - and that would endanger the very civilians the GC is supposed to protect.

Ask the civilians of Iraq if the GC has helped to protect them while they were under Al-Quaeda occuation.

Posted by CrazyFool 2008-06-02 08:39|| 2008-06-02 08:39|| Front Page Top

#12 I didn't say don't interrogate. Just release or execute when done.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-06-02 09:19|| 2008-06-02 09:19|| Front Page Top

#13 Good lord. The term of art is "prison hulks". Get your terms right, flack!

Posted by Mitch H.">Mitch H. 2008-06-02 09:31|| http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]">[http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/] 2008-06-02 09:31|| Front Page Top

#14 (You really don't want to double-entendre these lyrics)

On the goo-oo-ood ship Lollypop
It's a swee-ee-eet trip to a candy shop
Where bon-bons play
On the sunny beach of Peppermint Bay

Lemona-a-ade stands everywhere
'Cross the de-e-eck spans belly air
And there you are
Happy landing on a chocolate bar

See the sugar bowl do the Tootsie roll
With the big bad Bell's Fruit Cake
If you eat too much, ooh-ooh
You'll awake with a tummy ache

On the goo-oo-ood ship Lollypop
It's a ni-i-ice trip into bed you'll hop
And dream away
On the good ship lollypop...

Posted by Anonymoose 2008-06-02 09:51|| 2008-06-02 09:51|| Front Page Top

#15 What a bad man. And after that lovely picture the other day.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-06-02 09:55|| 2008-06-02 09:55|| Front Page Top

#16 Interrogate them, then launch them out the back of a C-130 at 33,000 over the middle of the Atlantic. Get the intel without the hassle of keeping them prisoner.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2008-06-02 10:45|| 2008-06-02 10:45|| Front Page Top

#17 Curse you Anony.... Now I'll have *that* tune rolling around in my head all day....

Posted by CrazyFool 2008-06-02 10:45|| 2008-06-02 10:45|| Front Page Top

#18 "...they're performing horrible experiments on robots in space..(THUMP)...*thank* you!..."
-- I think We're All Bozos On This Bus

Posted by mojo">mojo 2008-06-02 10:50|| 2008-06-02 10:50|| Front Page Top

#19 Besides skirting the Geneva Conventions to their own purposes, the terrorists also use Maritime Laws to their own advantage, ie. piracy and the pursuit thereof. And with all these climate change generated storms, who knows how many could be lost at sea? If true, its brilliant!

Posted by Thealing Borgia6122 2008-06-02 11:10|| 2008-06-02 11:10|| Front Page Top

#20 The US should treat all but the top level guys as POW and hold them until the end of hostilities (the war may never end, sucks to be them). They should be held in a POW camp similar to what we used with the NAZIs with the knowledge that bullshit, riots or attempts to escape will result in people being shot.

Posted by rjschwarz 2008-06-02 11:25|| 2008-06-02 11:25|| Front Page Top

#21 Why would anyone believe a second hand witness, member of a group whose lies listed in the group handbook? The key bit to me was the statement that the prison hulk inmates are being beaten even more severely than at Guantanamo. Only they aren't beaten at Guantanamo. QED.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-06-02 11:26|| 2008-06-02 11:26|| Front Page Top

#22 TW told:

Only they aren't beaten at Guantanamo. QED.

Yes They are. They are beaten, on the Cuban side of the fence.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2008-06-02 11:50|| 2008-06-02 11:50|| Front Page Top

#23 Lets all SING ALONG!

Note: The original, UN-PC lyrics.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-06-02 12:10|| 2008-06-02 12:10|| Front Page Top

#24 Trailing Wife, so you're saying that if they are beaten with a feather they are beaten more severely than at Guantanimo which seems fair assuming there is any they anyway.

Posted by rjschwarz 2008-06-02 13:26|| 2008-06-02 13:26|| Front Page Top

#25 US accused of holding terror suspects on prison ships

You're only accused of something if its wrong. How 'bout changing the headline to:

US believed to be holding terror suspects on prison ships, human rights proponents hopeful.

Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2008-06-02 13:28|| 2008-06-02 13:28|| Front Page Top

#26 OldSpook: Slightly naughty pirate flash:

http://mirror.servut.us/flash/pirate_full.swf

http://www.viciouscyclone.com/Adz/Ad003.html

Posted by Anonymoose 2008-06-02 14:49|| 2008-06-02 14:49|| Front Page Top

#27 if they are beaten with a feather they are beaten more severely than at Guantanimo

Anything being infinitely more than nothing, if there are detainees on the theoretical American prison hulks, and if there are theoretical prison guards there, and if the theoretical prison guards daydream about beating the theoretical detainees, it's more severe than Guantanamo, rjschwarz. Does that help? ;-)

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-06-02 15:13|| 2008-06-02 15:13|| Front Page Top

#28 Sink em, dead men tell no tales. LOL My guess is that in order to help with interrogation our guys may have convinced some of the yoobs they were on board a ship. The they tell them they are in INTERNATIONAL waters and had no legal recourse and might as well cooperate. FYI the run of the mill jihadi aint that edumacated and is easily fooled.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2008-06-02 15:25|| 2008-06-02 15:25|| Front Page Top

#29 My point exactly.

Posted by rjschwarz 2008-06-02 15:49|| 2008-06-02 15:49|| Front Page Top

#30 they have no geneva protections, and per the conventions that we are signatory, they can be summarily executed as spies.

So stand them on the fantail for a firing quad detail. The force blows them over the fantail and into the sea. saves burial.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-06-02 16:19|| 2008-06-02 16:19|| Front Page Top

#31 We'll never be able to 'prove' there are no 'secret' prisons...

Not so, the "Proof" is that these morons are still running around loose.

Posted by Redneck Jim">Redneck Jim 2008-06-02 17:08|| 2008-06-02 17:08|| Front Page Top

#32 Ah, then waterboarding and keel hauling are one and the same?

Al Qaida, talking the talk, and walking the plank.

Posted by Skunky Glins 5***">Skunky Glins 5*** 2008-06-02 21:26|| 2008-06-02 21:26|| Front Page Top

23:45 www
23:36 Abdominal Snowman
23:34 Barbara Skolaut
23:31 Grunter
23:29 George Smiley
23:25 George Smiley
23:24 USN,Ret. (from home)
23:22 George Smiley
23:19 George Smiley
23:17 Gladys
23:12 Slats Slatch7489
23:01 Procopius2k
22:55 www
22:48 JosephMendiola
22:43 Frank G
22:41 Deadeye Spating2038
22:28 OldSpook
22:28 Frank G
22:24 JosephMendiola
22:23 Redneck Jim
22:16 OldSpook
22:15 OldSpook
22:13 OldSpook
22:13 Muggsy Gling