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2008-03-23 Home Front Economy
Air Force sponsoring coal-to-oil plants for airplane fuel
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Posted by trailing wife  2008-03-23 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11128 views ]  Top

#1 The Air Force would not finance, construct or operate the coal plant. Instead, it has offered private developers a 700-acre site on the base and a promise that it would be a ready customer as the government's largest fuel consumer.

Long term contracts at a guaranteed price are the answer.

The $60/barrel alluded to as the break even is way off the mark. The South African's are doing it for less than $20/barrel (at least they were a few years ago).

And the Indians are going for coal to oil in a big way.

http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Nod-for-8bn-TataSasol-project/285251/
Posted by Phil_B 2008-03-23 01:09||   2008-03-23 01:09|| Front Page Top

#2 We are the King Kong of coal. Lets get this to work.
Posted by OldSpook 2008-03-23 01:35||   2008-03-23 01:35|| Front Page Top

#3 Nuclear.
Posted by gorb 2008-03-23 08:11||   2008-03-23 08:11|| Front Page Top

#4 Both.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-03-23 08:46||   2008-03-23 08:46|| Front Page Top

#5 I'm workin' on it.
Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues  2008-03-23 08:58||   2008-03-23 08:58|| Front Page Top

#6 Seems like we should have some sort of information along this line from Germany. They were doing this by the end of WWII, using technology that's now at least 60 years old.
Posted by Fred 2008-03-23 09:43||   2008-03-23 09:43|| Front Page Top

#7 carbon dioxide emissions are a major concern in the US

Rentech recently changed its mind on building a coal to liquids (various petroleum-like stuff plus anhydrous ammonia) plant near E Dubuque.

New plan is to build it near Natchez, MS. Apparently the company thinks sequestration of the carbon dioxide would be much easier near Natchez.

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/12/rentech-switche.html
Posted by mhw 2008-03-23 11:10||   2008-03-23 11:10|| Front Page Top

#8 Gov. Sebelius vetos two coal fired power plants in Western Kansas which were going to pump 6.4 billion into the fly over economy over five years. No mention of cow flatulation.
Posted by bman 2008-03-23 11:47||   2008-03-23 11:47|| Front Page Top

#9 Some of the political decisions made while bowing to the church of Algorical Global Warming will come back on politicians. The sooner the better.
Posted by tipover 2008-03-23 12:39||   2008-03-23 12:39|| Front Page Top

#10 I, for one, look forward to the coal-fired, steam-driven F/A-18 Mega Hornet.
Posted by SteveS 2008-03-23 12:46||   2008-03-23 12:46|| Front Page Top

#11 Waxman should be told to go to hell!
Posted by 3dc 2008-03-23 14:11||   2008-03-23 14:11|| Front Page Top

#12 Only problem bman, Global warming is a hoax,

Too bad you're so gullable.
Posted by Redneck Jim">Redneck Jim  2008-03-23 14:17||   2008-03-23 14:17|| Front Page Top

#13 See? This just proves our military are Nazis!

Posted by Secret Master 2008-03-23 14:20||   2008-03-23 14:20|| Front Page Top

#14 I think bman was just mentioning the bovine side effect, Redneck Jim, not complaining about it.
Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife  2008-03-23 14:36||   2008-03-23 14:36|| Front Page Top

#15 Hurrah for Fischer-Tropsch!!!
Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul  2008-03-23 16:35||   2008-03-23 16:35|| Front Page Top

#16 As said or inferred long ago, among other thingys WOT > ALTERNATIVE FUELS > WAR FOR UNION-ISM/RETURN OF BIG? UNIONS [AFL-CIO, etc.], versus NON/ANTI-UNION NUCLEAR-COLD FUSION!?

OTOH, STARS-N-STRIPES > World has enuff COAL for approxi another 200 years, OIL will run out in 50-60 years, whilst NATURAL GAS will do so in 75-80+.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-03-23 21:00||   2008-03-23 21:00|| Front Page Top

#17 REDDIT > WATER WILL BE A SOURCE/CAUSE FOR FUTURE WARS UNLESS THE WORLD ACTS NOW.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-03-23 22:29||   2008-03-23 22:29|| Front Page Top

#18 Those coal plants bman mentions will not be built in Kansas (at this time). They are slated to be built just across the border in Missouri and then Kansas will purchase the electricity from them.

Sounds like some other states that claim to be environmentally conscience but in fact just don't want the power plants built in their state for whatever reason. In this case, the coal plants will potentially affect more people since they will be built in a denser populated zone (KS/MO border vs. vast prarie of west KS).

I think Global Warming is a concern - I think in this case it was used to make the lobby price increase beyond the reach of west KS. Guess that would make it a scam then...and sebilius is trying to turn greensburg into 'the greenest community in the USA' but in doing so has driven off most of the locals with strange and new tax and property laws, creating a highway bypass, and in general delayed the reconstruction efforts which I think is what bman is pointing out - the hypocrasy of those who use the 'Green Ideal' to further their own political agenda.
Posted by swksvolFF 2008-03-23 23:22||   2008-03-23 23:22|| Front Page Top

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