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2008-01-12 Home Front: WoT
States Threatened To Comply With Real ID Act
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Posted by Anonymoose 2008-01-12 11:50|| || Front Page|| [11138 views ]  Top

#1 Those 17 states are also magnets for illegals. Any bets the ACLU is really representing the big food processors and slaughterhouses?
Posted by Clem Omusoling6419 2008-01-12 15:07||   2008-01-12 15:07|| Front Page Top

#2 If Hawaii NH and Maine are magnets for illegals,then the attraction must be extremely weak. Maine and New Hampshire were both pretty white bread last time I visited.
Posted by Super Hose 2008-01-12 15:31||   2008-01-12 15:31|| Front Page Top

#3 These people are all in favor of the IRS and Social Security knowing everything there is to know about me and ripping me off on a regular basis. But when it comes to asking people if they really are citizens of this country or if they are here legally they act like it's some kind of threat to their civil rights. OK, fine. You don't want a card? You don't get a job, you don't vote, you don't drive a car, you don't get on an airplane, you don't get educated, you don't get treated at the hospital. In fact, you can FOAD.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2008-01-12 15:37||   2008-01-12 15:37|| Front Page Top

#4 This has got to be real bureaucratic just to be bureaucratic doesn't it. We already have a passport system for travel into another country. Shouldn't be too hard to come up with a passport-lite[tm] for return into the US from countries that don't require a passport to enter, set up in the same voluntary manner that the existing passport is. It can be administered by the feds without having to wait upon the states. And since it is a 'Real ID'[tm] it can used for other authentication purposes internally to the US to comply with federal requirements [banking, voting, etc]. BTW, the feds have had one for decades in the form of military identity cards [along with very appropriate and harsh penalties for duplicating or selling the suckers]. Shouldn't be too hard to set up a civilian version.
Posted by Procopius2k 2008-01-12 15:44||   2008-01-12 15:44|| Front Page Top

#5  If Hawaii NH and Maine are magnets for illegals,then the attraction must be extremely weak. Maine and New Hampshire were both pretty white bread last time I visited.

Yeah, SuperHose. New Hampshire, unlike Arkansas, probably doesn't have that many illegals. All those pasty, white liberals don't even know what an illegal alien looks like which is why they were willing to vote for an idiot like McCain. Just wait, though, if McCain and the ACLU have their way they'll find out soon enough.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2008-01-12 15:48||   2008-01-12 15:48|| Front Page Top

#6 Maybe lobster will be cheaper :-)
Posted by Super Hose 2008-01-12 15:50||   2008-01-12 15:50|| Front Page Top

#7 A national ID card is needed. This sounds like a good way to ease into it. Why hasn't anyone dismantled the bottom feeders in ACLU ? Way past time for them to be gone, gone, gone.
Posted by Woozle Elmeter 2907 2008-01-12 16:24||   2008-01-12 16:24|| Front Page Top

#8 A friend in Texas reports around 95% illegals(Probably wildly exaggerated) and most people speak Spanish (Believe that one)

Maybe Mexico is trying to Re-take THEIR territory? Hmmm?
Posted by Redneck Jim 2008-01-12 16:47||   2008-01-12 16:47|| Front Page Top

#9 A national ID card scheme would be a disaster for several reasons.

The number one reason is that a LOT of people, both for good reasons and bad, don't want one, would fight it every inch of the way, and would subvert it. If subverted, it would be a national nightmare.

In truth, the Social Security card was *intended* from the get-go to evolve into a national ID card, despite promises to the contrary. From its very inception it was compromised in countless ways.

The assumption of a national ID card is always that it is a direct connection between individual citizens, 350 million of them, and the federal government. That it would somehow make things clearer, or easier. But that is not, and perhaps *cannot* be the case.

In practice, State DMVs are tasked with figuring out how to carry out a national ID. These are perhaps the most corrupt government agency in any State. They are continually scandalized by providing fake IDs by the tens of thousands. This would not change with a national ID.

Argue it as you might, even the Soviet Union never developed a way to account for their citizenry. The onus was always on the cooperative, and the uncooperative found countless ways to evade the system, even when threatened with death.

The second largest group that evades national IDs are the "incompetents", people who are too damn *stupid* to get or keep their papers. This is about 17% of any population. If you give them an ID, they will lose it within a day.

The largest group are intelligent people who don't want the damn things. They will spend years to break the system, to screw things up, to make IDs so unpopular that nobody wants one.

And the bottom line is that national IDs accomplish *nothing* of what they are promised to do. They give no greater security. They do not make or keep people honest. They do not account for citizens who don't want to play, and they cost a bloody fortune.

Compare them to driver's licenses or mandatory insurance required to drive a car. Any guesses what percentage of drivers out there have neither?

"Many (Wisconsin) adults do not have either a drivers license or a photo ID. An estimated 23 percent of persons aged 65 and over do not have a Wisconsin drivers license or a photo ID. The population of elderly persons 65 and older without a drivers license or a state photo ID totals 177,399, and of these 70 percent are women. While racial data was not available on the state population with photo IDs, 91 percent of the state’s elderly without a Wisconsin drivers license are white. An estimated 98,247 Wisconsin residents ages 35 through 64 also do not have either a drivers license or a photo ID."
Posted by Anonymoose 2008-01-12 17:09||   2008-01-12 17:09|| Front Page Top

#10 Argue it as you might, even the Soviet Union never developed a way to account for their citizenry.

One of the reasons is that the Party never trusted their own people/scientists to do the computer engineering. Cause it could lead to something like an internet and free communication. See how everyone goes crazy when official records, which for decades were open to the public but in paper form and laborious to dig through, suddenly become available 'on line'. Panic ensues. Technology has erased the technical problem.

We'll get a national id card when the demand is made from the bottom up. A voluntary id which is secure and accepted means of identification at reasonable cost and accessibility will create a natural evolution to adoption and implementation. Having one forced down everyone's throat won't.
Posted by Procopius2k 2008-01-12 17:20||   2008-01-12 17:20|| Front Page Top

#11 Correction Maine has been aggressively importing Sudanese because there's not enough Mainers on welfare already.
Posted by regular joe 2008-01-12 19:23||   2008-01-12 19:23|| Front Page Top

#12 Moose, you dead wrong. Quite a number of countries have a compulsory ID system and they work well - fraud and impersonation are almost non-existent and this is without biometric data.

One significant impact is they make life much harder for illegal immigrants.
Posted by phil_b 2008-01-12 21:03||   2008-01-12 21:03|| Front Page Top

#13 phil_b: who?
Posted by Anonymoose 2008-01-12 21:06||   2008-01-12 21:06|| Front Page Top

#14 #12: "Quite a number of countries have a compulsory ID system and they work well - fraud and impersonation are almost non-existent"

Then their citizens (and potential illegals) obviously don't have that good old American ingenuity, phil. ;-p
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