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2007-12-28 Britain

War Hero's Daughter Arrested For Slapping War Memorial Vandal

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Posted by Anonymoose 2007-12-28 00:00|| || Front Page|| [8 views ] Top

#1 I do appreciate that people may get frustrated with this sort of situation but the appropriate response is to work with agencies like the police and local authority to find solutions.

Note to bureaucrat :
And there could be jury nullification, too...

Posted by BigEd 2007-12-28 00:44|| 2007-12-28 00:44|| Front Page Top

#2 Laws pertaining to War Memorials are on the books. It's shame, but not surprising, they must be enforced by the daughters of veterans they are dedicated to.

South African War Memorial, Haymarket - Prohibition of Skateboarding etc.
Byelaws made under section 235 of the Local Government Act 1972 by the Council of the City of Newcastle upon Tyne for the good rule and government of the City of Newcastle upon Tyne and for the prevention and suppression of nuisances.

Interpretation

1. In these byelaws:

"the Council" means the Council of the City of Newcastle upon Tyne.

Extent

2. These byelaws apply to the specified parts of the Haymarket, Newcastle upon Tyne designated in the Schedule to the byelaws and hereinafter referred to as the "designated areas".

Skateboarding

3. No person shall skate, slide or ride on rollers, skateboards, wheels, mechanical contrivances or other equipment in a designated area.

Schedule

4. The "designated areas" referred to in byelaw 3 and delineated by black hatching on the plan attached to these byelaws are as follows:

part of the land comprising the area to the north and west of the Haymarket Metro, Haymarket, Newcastle upon Tyne including the War Memorial and the fountains and bounded by Northumberland Street, St Mary's Place, Percy Street and the Haymarket.

Penalty

5. Any person offending against byelaw 3 shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 2 on the standard scale.

The Common Seal of the Council of the City of Newcastle upon Tyne was herunto affixed this 21st day of October 2002 in the presence of:

J Marshall, Lord Mayor

V A Dodds, Head of Legal Services

The foregoing byelaws are hereby confirmed by the Secretary of State and shall come into operation on the 24th day of January 2003

Signed by authority of the Secretary of State

P Roswell
Senior Civil Servant
in the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister
London
SW1E 5DU

19 December 2002

Posted by Besoeker 2007-12-28 01:08|| 2007-12-28 01:08|| Front Page Top

#3 Anti Social Behaviour Between April Sept 07 Complaints received re Adults & Young People 629 Police reporting forms = 440 From the public = 189 Action taken 146 letters sent to parents informing and warning them, their child was found in an ASB hotspot area

Posted by Icerigger">Icerigger 2007-12-28 07:56|| http://coonlakebeach.com/support_mn_troops.htm]">[http://coonlakebeach.com/support_mn_troops.htm] 2007-12-28 07:56|| Front Page Top

#4 Friday, December 28, 2007
In memoriam: one police 'service'
Posted by Cerdic at 12:46 PM

Determined to make up for a comparatively quiet year on the cock-up front, Avon & Somerset Police have hit the headlines. When Julie Lake tried to stop desecrating the war memorial in Mangotsfield (obviously not something ASP were interested in), fifteen yobs surrounded her. When she cuffe done of them in an attempt to break out, they immediately called ASP - who have now said they will arrest (you guessed it) Ms. Lake. A spokestwat for ASP admitted however that Mangotsfield has a problem with youth vandalism (translation: are we bovvered?). Inspector Gus Krouwel said:

"I do appreciate that people may get frustrated with this sort of situation but the appropriate response is to work with agencies like the police and local authority to find solutions."

Hogwash. It's the abject failre of ASP and other 'agencies' that caused this problem, and the likes of Gutless Gus who should face arrest and imprisonment.

Aparently at least one Brit is miffed.

Posted by Icerigger">Icerigger 2007-12-28 07:57|| http://coonlakebeach.com/support_mn_troops.htm]">[http://coonlakebeach.com/support_mn_troops.htm] 2007-12-28 07:57|| Front Page Top

#5 The Avon and Somerset Police Complaint page. In case any Burgers should care to contact Gus and crew with a polite message in support of Mrs. Lake.

Posted by Icerigger">Icerigger 2007-12-28 08:04|| http://coonlakebeach.com/support_mn_troops.htm]">[http://coonlakebeach.com/support_mn_troops.htm] 2007-12-28 08:04|| Front Page Top

#6 Note to the US. This is your future in 15 years if the dhimocrats get in and keep power.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-12-28 09:12|| 2007-12-28 09:12|| Front Page Top

#7 A spokesman for Avon and Somerset Police confirmed the force is investigating an alleged assault on a 15- year-old boy.

He admitted however that Mangotsfield has a problem with youth vandalism. Inspector Gus Krouwel said: 'Neighbourhood police regularly receive complaints about groups of around eight young people gathering by the war memorial, drinking and leaving litter. "I do appreciate that people may get frustrated with this sort of situation but the appropriate response is to work with agencies like the police and local authority to find solutions."

I got a solution. How about the friggin cops do their jobs? Sounds like the "War on Crime" went out the door with the "War on Terror" over there.

Posted by tu3031 2007-12-28 09:37|| 2007-12-28 09:37|| Front Page Top

#8 Gah! I knew from the title that it would be over here :(

She's right, the yobs know all about their 'rights', but aren't taught obligations and duties.

I was on the wrong end of one of those "that's assault" smartasses when we grabbed a kids wrist who was persistently trying to set off an emergency alarm. It was defused by someone else asking for their ticket - which surprisingly, they didn't have.

It hasn't stopped me getting involved if necessary - I'm just much more devious about it...

Posted by Tony (UK) 2007-12-28 14:24|| 2007-12-28 14:24|| Front Page Top

#9 Good for you Tony. We over hear call them "blanket parties". Best done in the dark streets.

Posted by Icerigger">Icerigger 2007-12-28 14:43|| http://coonlakebeach.com/support_mn_troops.htm]">[http://coonlakebeach.com/support_mn_troops.htm] 2007-12-28 14:43|| Front Page Top

#10 Tony,

Read peels principles. The police are the people and vice-versa.

Obviously ASP arn't real police.

Be vigilant.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2007-12-28 16:39|| 2007-12-28 16:39|| Front Page Top

#11 Been there, too. A young dipshit grabbed my arm and said he was gonna "Whoop your ass". I told him I was armed and he'd better let go. He did but later called the police and claimed I'd threatened him. Police got my story and nothing else was done. I got off lucky.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2007-12-28 18:23|| 2007-12-28 18:23|| Front Page Top

#12 I told him I was armed and he'd better let go. He did but later called the police and claimed I'd threatened him.

I would think that when you went through your CCW class, they informed you to ALWAYS call the Police if you EVER have to warn anyone that you are armed, or, if it EVER becomes necessary to draw your firearm.

Whether shots are fired or not. Sounds like you could use some remedial instruction. Glad it worked out in your favor, it just as easily could not have.

Posted by Vinegar Phans8565 2007-12-28 22:15|| 2007-12-28 22:15|| Front Page Top

#13 "I do appreciate that people may get frustrated with this sort of situation but the appropriate response is to work with agencies like the police and local authority to find solutions."

No you idiots, the correct response is to STOP the bastards, THEN call the law.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2007-12-28 22:44|| 2007-12-28 22:44|| Front Page Top

#14 VP is correct. Doesn't matter if you draw or not. Call the cops after so you can cya.

Posted by Broadhead6 2007-12-28 23:01|| 2007-12-28 23:01|| Front Page Top

#15 Two points. I don't think you can get Jury Nulification in the UK because they have more or less professional jurors. I guess it could happen but it's a lot less likely than in the states.

Second, our 50 year old should simply have lied to the cops. No I did not strike him, I was afraid for my life with 15 of them. Her word vs 15 yobs and she'd have had them arrested for vandalizing rather than herself being in trouble. Sad when the best course is to lie to the cops but that's the world these days.

Posted by rjschwarz 2007-12-28 23:31|| 2007-12-28 23:31|| Front Page Top

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