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2007-11-26 Europe

Paris Burns Again - Will Sarkozy Fight Back?

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Posted by Anonymoose 2007-11-26 00:00|| || Front Page|| [7 views ] Top

#1 Hopefully, schmopefully. He can't wimp out. Too much at stake.

Posted by twobyfour 2007-11-26 00:13|| http://www.twobyfour.nfo/]">[http://www.twobyfour.nfo/] 2007-11-26 00:13|| Front Page Top

#2 Send in the Foreign Legion or the Army to put this rabble down, the "Police" are not up to it.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2007-11-26 00:18|| 2007-11-26 00:18|| Front Page Top

#3 Gendarmerie Nationale:

While administratively a part of the French armed forces, thus under the aegis of the Ministry of Defence, it is operationally attached to the Ministry of the Interior for its operations within France, and criminal investigations are run under the supervision of prosecutors or investigating magistrates (judges). Its members operate in uniform, and occasionally in plainclothes.

Its missions include:

* The policing of the countryside, rivers and coastal areas, and small towns with populations under 10,000 (outside of the jurisdiction of the French National Police). About half the French population is under the direct jurisdiction of the Gendarmerie.
* Criminal investigations under judiciary supervision.
* Crowd control and other security activities.
* The security of airports and military installations, as well as all investigations relating to the military, including in foreign interventions.
* Participations in ceremonies involving foreign heads of states or heads of governments.
* Provision of Military police services to the Military of France.

You can also view their site. You'll have to translate it yourself, tho.

Posted by Pappy 2007-11-26 00:25|| 2007-11-26 00:25|| Front Page Top

#4 Those might work Pappy. Those are the guys with the submachine guns you used to see in photos. Depends on how many they still have.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2007-11-26 01:33|| 2007-11-26 01:33|| Front Page Top

#5 Sarkozy's defining moment is at hand. Failure to draw a line in the sand against resurgent barbarianism will undermine his efforts at reform in every area.

Posted by Spuque B. Hayes8037 2007-11-26 01:43|| 2007-11-26 01:43|| Front Page Top

#6 I suppose this is what we've been waiting for. I really hope that Sarkozy has a plan. He's certainly had enough time for this eventuality.

Posted by gromky 2007-11-26 02:27|| 2007-11-26 02:27|| Front Page Top

#7 I think Wikipedia is wrong about Gendarmerie

Unless things have changed lately Gendarmerie does nopt operate on pain clothes: "in order to preserve honorability of the service" in Napoleon's words who created Gendarmerie and hated the idea of having an Army service involved in deals with pimps and minor thieves in order to catch bigger fiah.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2007-11-26 02:36|| 2007-11-26 02:36|| Front Page Top

#8 Paris Burns Again - Will Sarkozy Fight Back?
IMHO : Of course not.

I know I'm biased, but my feeling is that Sarko is much misunderstood here; he's not a Reagan-like reformer; he's a gorbatchev-like "reformer", to borrow an image I find very fitting.

He's here to perpetuate the "french model", and has, and will, only make reforms at the very margins, without going to the core, so it can continue as long as possible.

You've got to understand that the frenchifada is not a thing that happens now and then, it's more or less permanent all over the french territory, with flame ups like this one, with more msm covering. But there are ambushes of firefighters, cops, EMT,... all the time, stonings of said representatives of the french State all the times, 100 cars torched a night (with an actual number that is higher), and public buildings torched every week. This is a low-intensity, simmering permanent intifada, which is now accepted as a fact of life by the Powers-that-be, and dealt with by non-dealing with it, just keeping the lid so this doesn't break out of control. That's why the gvt response to the 2005 ramadan riots was to avoid clashes and desescalate with the help of imams and "big brothers", because if the ante had been upped, th epolice would have been simply unable to deal with it, and the army would have been to be called in, with all the possible spiralling and even the loyalties issues (french army is now about 20% Youths, up to 30% in units like paratroopers, with many, many related problems).

Sarko is not a doer; he's not "tough"; he's a man whose motto is "one media happening a day"; he's all show, and no substance, he's been an insider for 30 years.
Can he be an improvement? Yes, of course? Was he a better alternative than ségogole, bayrou or pépé Le pen? Definitvely yes? Will he be more rationale and pro-western in his foreign policy than yacoub ben shirak? Definitvely, though he won't be the white Knight on a white horse.

Is he conservative? No, or just in the french context. I'd joke by saying that there are almost as many sopcialist in the gvt now that if ségogole had won; he's done "affirmative action" nominating by putting people who have nothing to do in a french gvt, and who put their ethnic identity (black african, notably) above their french identity, by example by going support african squatter about to be expelled, after all the due legal process. How do you call it when you've got a minister who go publicly support lawbreakers or strongly criticize the very timid "reform" his own gvt want to implement to control immigration?

Sarko is a glittering media act; he's all show, no action (he's done NOTHING of any substance since he's in), he won't do a thing, and I don't and won't expect ANYTHING from him.

Again, that's just my very humble opinion, and I'm a "passive-aggressive extremist"; JFM is more savvy and grounded in Reality than me, so, he's probably got a different opinion, and he's more entittled to it; I think than the other occasional frenchie here, leroidavid (which just showed up at NP! Hi!) may also have a different view.

Posted by anonymous5089 2007-11-26 07:27|| 2007-11-26 07:27|| Front Page Top

#9 Like most hailed reformers, I think his performance will be weak and more for show. Believe it when I see it, I will.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-11-26 07:29|| 2007-11-26 07:29|| Front Page Top

#10 Why did I put ? instead of ! when answering self-asked question??? Freudian slip, I guess.

To summarize that semi-coherent post : Sarko has been elected on a conservative campaign, during which he stole pépé Le pen's thunder by insisting on identity issues; that's why he basically got half of the 20% that should normally had gone Le pen's way at the first turn, and why Le pen's electorate went for him on the second; even the sopcialist candidate had to thread that identity issue, because this was the revolving point.
Also, he promised "rupture", that is, to break away with the old ways. French are confused, they probably want to cling to it, and avoid painful reforms, BUT, they also know confusely, but very well, that it simply can't go on.

So, Sarko was elected on that, identity (with the help of the left/msm, which painted him as a rightwing extremist, because, unlike Le pebn, he could actually be elected and threaten the multiculti statu quo), and reform.

And his policy since then? Business as usual, and political trickery, like vampirizing the left by nominating personalites in commissions, study groups, ministers, IMF president,...

Posted by anonymous5089 2007-11-26 07:38|| 2007-11-26 07:38|| Front Page Top

#11 anon8059 I agree that Americans are misreading Sarkozy. He's busy negotiating French advantage with the Chinese, militarily and economically, this week for instance.

I've linked before to this paper from the Army War College Street Gangs: the New Urban Insurgency. Rand has published a related paper on how to fight such gang insurgencies Gangs, Hooligans and Anarchists - the Vanguard of NetWar in the Streets. Note the 'anarchists' in that title: this is where the far left joins the urban immigrant/ghetto gangs in philosophy, tactics and in triggering a limp response by authorities.

A state that will not defend itself is doomed. It can fall quickly or be eroded gradually. The urbgan insurgents prefer the latter, since it doesn't trigger a sufficient defensive response from the populace.

Posted by lotp 2007-11-26 08:10|| 2007-11-26 08:10|| Front Page Top

#12 ~~urbgan~~ urban

BTW, 'netwar' does not mean cyberwarfare. It means small networks of non-state actors.

Posted by lotp 2007-11-26 08:11|| 2007-11-26 08:11|| Front Page Top

#13 One reason Sarko might take strong action against the rioters is that will remove the strikers from the headlines and allow him to push his domestic economic reforms while the headlines go to the head bashing. Sarko also made headlines during the last outburst by calling the yoots thugs or hooligans or some such derogatory descriptive term. If he doesn't crack down, they'll start calling him paper tiger. In any case it will be his defining moment.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2007-11-26 08:47|| 2007-11-26 08:47|| Front Page Top

#14 Napoleon's way of dealing with "civil unrest" was to use "a whiff of grapeshot" to clear the streets and restore order. If Sarkozy feels up to it, there is precedent. Actually a twofer, establish the rule of law and get rid of Islamotrash that will never be French.

Posted by RWV 2007-11-26 09:05|| 2007-11-26 09:05|| Front Page Top

#15 Yup. But he may be constrained by being out of the country right now.

The fact that he's in China may be one reason the rioters felt free to up the ante a bit.

Posted by lotp 2007-11-26 09:09|| 2007-11-26 09:09|| Front Page Top

#16 There are two solutions to this problem: Assimilation into French Catholo-secularism or mass deportation. I am fine with either. The current Frankfurt School apartheid model will produce civil war and - quite possibly - the death of France.

First the traitors. Then the enemy.

Posted by Excalibur 2007-11-26 09:15|| 2007-11-26 09:15|| Front Page Top

#17 ...mass deportation.

Where will you deport them too? I'd wager that where they came from doesn't want them back. I'd prefer a different...more lasting solution.

AoS note: let's not go there, shall we? Genocide and mass murder aren't our style.

Posted by Butch Creremble1145 2007-11-26 10:23|| 2007-11-26 10:23|| Front Page Top

#18 Some rioters are climbing up to electric cables to try and break them and put the whole district into darkness.

So goes the district, so goes europe.

Posted by Vespasian Theang5422 2007-11-26 11:07|| 2007-11-26 11:07|| Front Page Top

#19 IIUC, cutting power so there is no public lighting is a common tactic, that's possibly why the two idiots whose electrocution started the 2005 riots went into that (normally locked, but routenily broken in) electrical building along with their buddy, while the police was patrolling the area.

Posted by anonymous5089 2007-11-26 11:12|| 2007-11-26 11:12|| Front Page Top

#20 Hé hé hé... all this started because two Youths were having a joyride with a stolen motorbike (possibly a mini-motorbike), without helmets, and they had an accident... with a police car... there was *no chase*, they just sped for fun, didn't respect priority at a crossroads, and crashed into the side of the car, dumbasses.
Yes, they're rioting over a run-of-the-mill accident, but for example, there repetatedly had been, and probably will be again, riots after Youths being sentenced to jail over an actual crime like rape or murder (even of an another Youth); besides, when you're Oppressed by a Racist Society, it's your allan-given right to riot whenever you feel entitled to...

Now, the seething relatives are *demanding* that "all police involved be *sentenced* (condamnés, that is, found guilty and sent to jail)"... and the gvt is already bactracking : the local police are now accused of having been "too slow" in providing medical help, and the prime minister has phoned to the families of the two dumbasses to assure them of his (and the gvt's) sincerest condoleances and sympathy.

Interestingly enough, a couple days ago, a 23 years-old student has been stabbed to death in the RER, after she resisted rape by a repeat offender, a 43 years old Youth. As far as I know, fillon didn't phone her family to give them support. They probably didn't burn enough cars.

Posted by anonymous5089 2007-11-26 14:17|| 2007-11-26 14:17|| Front Page Top

#21 Any idea what's happening this evening? Did the authorities prepare the populace for truncheons today?

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2007-11-26 14:39|| 2007-11-26 14:39|| Front Page Top

#22 Funny thing is that according the NPR ( i know, I know) this morning, it sounded like white French teens were rioting and it had nothing to do with Muslims. Then in the last sentence of the story, they said something about promising jobs to minorities. Too funny, but that's what we, the taxpayers, pay for!

Posted by 0369Grunt 2007-11-26 17:02|| 2007-11-26 17:02|| Front Page Top

#23 A few of us listen to NPR so the rest of Rantburg doesn't have to, 0369Grunt. Just like a few read the New York Times, the Washington Post, and so forth. It keeps our group blood pressure down in the safe range... teamwork works! ;-)

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2007-11-26 21:33|| 2007-11-26 21:33|| Front Page Top

#24 0369Grunt, taking one for the team.

Does anyone else detect a curious similarity involving riots occurring when yoots crash their hot moped into a cop car and some deranged Islamic maggot tries to stab Belgian police officers in their station? Perps = Dead Wrong, Muslims = Totally immune to reason. I sense a pattern here.

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