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2007-10-11 Fifth Column

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Posted by danking70 2007-10-11 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11135 views ] Top
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#1 People pay for trash pick up too.

Posted by newc">newc 2007-10-11 00:14|| 2007-10-11 00:14|| Front Page Top

#2 Say Fred - think this one deserves the "Aw Jeez" graphic?

Posted by Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) 2007-10-11 00:29|| 2007-10-11 00:29|| Front Page Top

#3 ~~'US support for Israel~~ Homicidal rage brought on by a knowledge of inferiority and adherence to a medieval death-cult called Islam spurred 9/11'

Fixed.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2007-10-11 01:03|| 2007-10-11 01:03|| Front Page Top

#4 Mearsheimer is the same guy who wrote "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" - the substance of which I can sum up in a few words: American foreign policy is run by the Jooooos to benefit Israel.

"...US support for Israel's brutal treatment of the Palestinians..."

Are these the same Palestinians who were quoted as saying they were better off under Israel than under the gentle ministrations of Fatah and Hamas?
As I see it, if the Palestinians lived just south of the U.S. border and tried to commit against America the depredations that they routinely attempt against Israel, there would soon be no Palestinians left.

Posted by Grumenk Philalzabod0723 2007-10-11 01:51|| 2007-10-11 01:51|| Front Page Top

#5 Bin Laden did not mention Palestine very much or at all before 9/11. Palestine became a theme after 9/11. The whole statement is silly

Posted by Robi Sen">Robi Sen 2007-10-11 02:13|| 2007-10-11 02:13|| Front Page Top

#6 I thought it was global warming.

Posted by Al Gore 2007-10-11 03:00|| 2007-10-11 03:00|| Front Page Top

#7 Robi, IIRC, Binny's delaration of war (1998) mentioned the Paleos almost as an afterthought. He was WAY more cheesed off at having infidel boots on holy Soddy soil.

Fred used to have it posted somewhere at the Burg but I couldn't find it.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2007-10-11 03:38|| 2007-10-11 03:38|| Front Page Top

#8 Accoding to dear profeessor's own standards where US support for "brutal" tratement to the Palestinans by Israeel then Blacks are entitled to inflict not a mere 9/11 on the Arabs but to exterrminate them to the last man for their support to the genocidical and Sudanese governemnt.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2007-10-11 04:21|| 2007-10-11 04:21|| Front Page Top

#9 Here it is Sea from 2001-12-30: The Philosophy of Terror

Posted by GK 2007-10-11 04:23|| 2007-10-11 04:23|| Front Page Top

#10 C.S. Lewis would have called these guys "Trousered apes."

Posted by SR-71">SR-71 2007-10-11 05:58|| 2007-10-11 05:58|| Front Page Top

#11 Calling them "trousered apes" is an insult to apes.

Posted by Mike 2007-10-11 06:34|| 2007-10-11 06:34|| Front Page Top

#12 And trousers!

Posted by Bobby 2007-10-11 06:54|| 2007-10-11 06:54|| Front Page Top

#13 Buffoons in pantaloons? I guess being a professor ain't what it used to be.

Posted by SteveS 2007-10-11 07:35|| 2007-10-11 07:35|| Front Page Top

#14 Why does the left remind me of the Nazi party circa 1930?

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-10-11 07:39|| 2007-10-11 07:39|| Front Page Top

#15 "Why does the left remind me of the Nazi party circa 1930?"

Their opposition to gay people, their constant talk about alien spies/saboteurs of a different religion among us, their support for torture, their hostility to immigrants of another color.

Oh, no wait, that's the right. Nevermind.

Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris 2007-10-11 07:44|| http://katsaris.livejournal.com]">[http://katsaris.livejournal.com] 2007-10-11 07:44|| Front Page Top

#16 I guess the Jewish Holocaust thing sailed right over Aris' head.

Posted by badanov 2007-10-11 07:57|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2007-10-11 07:57|| Front Page Top

#17 "Why does the left remind me of the Nazi party circa 1930?"

That's an easy one. Because the Nazis were socialists.

Posted by phil_b 2007-10-11 08:06|| 2007-10-11 08:06|| Front Page Top

#18 Please don't let Aris hijack this thread. My grandfather used to say that only a fool argues with a fool.

Posted by SR-71 2007-10-11 08:18|| 2007-10-11 08:18|| Front Page Top

#19 Why does the left sound like the Nazis? Because they are. "Transnational socialism" just added "trans" to "national socialism".

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2007-10-11 09:02|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2007-10-11 09:02|| Front Page Top

#20 A collabo said:

their constant talk about alien spies/saboteurs of a different religion among us

And the answer is:

Seems you forget that Nazis didn't gas Jews for theior religion but for the simple fact of being born in the wrong race. Catholic nuns and priests of Jewish ascandency who had converted even before the foundation of Nazi party were sent to Auschwitz just as readily as the most orthodox rabbis. And new borns too. Also can you tell me how many acts of terrrorism were peretrated b y the Jews? To any text wbere they afirmed the will to conquer and wipe out the gentiles? To any occasion where they supported terrorists and danced in the streets fora distaster affecting gentiles?

And yers I revindiacte the right to be prejudiced to someone for his religion just lijke I revindicate the right for prejudice against someone professing Nazism. This is not something you are born with and it does reflect on the reson you are.

Also I revindiacte the right to wish the liberation of people from ideologies who have brought them nothing but miserfy. Unlike racists like you (and other leftist people I know) I don't find that islÃ¹m and female genital mutilation are perfectly right for brown people (yes I have found "feminists" who defend ot).

A thing has not changed,; Communists helped their Naais allies in conqyuering France. Today the chic left hels islamists.

Posted by a">a 2007-10-11 09:04|| 2007-10-11 09:04|| Front Page Top

#21 Sorta missed that line from OBL about the 'infidel' being in Saudi Arabia being his motivation, didn't they in their little anti-Semiticly sealed universe, didn't they.

Posted by Procopius2k 2007-10-11 09:25|| 2007-10-11 09:25|| Front Page Top

#22 Aris who?

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-10-11 09:35|| 2007-10-11 09:35|| Front Page Top

#23 "Also can you tell me how many acts of terrrorism were peretrated by the Jews? To any text wbere they affirmed the will to conquer and wipe out the gentiles?"

I thought we were comparing *beliefs*, and the Nazis certainly were made to believe lots of the above were happening. If your main difference with the Nazis is that *your* fears are more justified than theirs, that's not enough of a difference IMAO.

Nor do I think that killing Anna Frank would have been any more justified if it had been because she was religiously Jewish rather than racially such.

"And yers I revindiacte the right to be prejudiced to someone for his religion just lijke I revindicate the right for prejudice against someone professing Nazism. This is not something you are born with and it does reflect on the reson you are."

That's the old chestnut, favoured by many anti-Muslim people. "Islam is an ideology" hence it's okay to hate all Muslims.

Except that Islam isn't an ideology, *Islamofascism* is. Islam itself is a religion like most religions in most places in the world, it has more in common with culture than with ideologies. You are usually born into the one of your parents. Unlike ideologies people not being it usually don't come under the mere label "different-minded" but usually under the label "stranger/foreigner/Other" instead.

So proper comparison is Islamofascism/Islam = Nazism/Germany. Islam was merely the breeding ground for islamofascism -- same way that Christianity has been the breeding ground for the witch-burners and heresy-hunters in centuries past, and same way as the Germanic nation was the breeding ground for Nazism.

What if someone is merely proffessing German (and hadn't applied to change citizenship)? Still feel free to hate him because of his nationality, for what other Germans did in World War II?

Given how Islamofascism is still at the stage where the vast majority of its victim are not Christians or Westerners but rather other (non-Islamofascist) fellow muslims, I suggest comprehending the difference between Islamofascism and Islam is crucial to understanding the world situation.

E.g. to understanding the idiocy of overthrowing a muslim *secular* tyrant in order to deliver his country to the hands of the islamofascists) -- atleast Carter during *his* presidency merely didn't do much to oppose the rise of islamofascism, he didn't go out of his way to promote it.

Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris 2007-10-11 09:42|| http://katsaris.livejournal.com]">[http://katsaris.livejournal.com] 2007-10-11 09:42|| Front Page Top

#24 Aris likes to reverse facts:

Jimmy Carter opposed the fight against the Iranian islamonazi ayatollahs in 1980...

Whereas George W. Bush is leading the fight against islamonazis...

Understand the difference ?

Posted by Leroidavid">Leroidavid 2007-10-11 09:54|| 2007-10-11 09:54|| Front Page Top

#25 "Jimmy Carter opposed the fight against the Iranian islamonazi ayatollahs in 1980... Whereas George W. Bush is leading the fight against islamonazis..."

Jimmy Carter merely didn't support the Iranian secular tyrant (the Shah) when he was overthrown by the islamofascists.

George W. Bush actually sent the American army to overthrow the Iraqi secular tyrant (Saddam) himself, and delivered Iraq personally to the hands of the islamofascists.

For Carter to attain the same exalted levels of stupidity as Bush has, he ought have ordered an invasion against the Shah in order to bring the islamofascists personally in power. (and even that would be less stupid than what Bush did, given how islamofascists back then weren't the danger of the day, today they are)

Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris 2007-10-11 10:00|| http://katsaris.livejournal.com]">[http://katsaris.livejournal.com] 2007-10-11 10:00|| Front Page Top

#26 "Why does the left remind me of the Nazi party circa 1930?"

I would've said the communist party.

Plus their opposition to private gun ownership & the second amendment, their obfuscation of hate speech vs free speech, constant talk about universal health care w/out accountability or responsibility on the part of the citizen.

Actually the rights not hostile to immigrants of another color, it's illegal immigrants of any color we have a problem with, but nice try.

Posted by Broadhead6 2007-10-11 10:05|| 2007-10-11 10:05|| Front Page Top

#27 Saddam Hussein wasn't a "secular" tyrant.

1) He put on the Iraqi flag the Arab sentence "Allah is great".

2) He built a mega-mosque in Bagdad, with 4 minarets shaped like Scuds;

3) He gave 5 pints of his blood to write a special version of the Quran which was placed in this mega-mosque.

So much for the "secular"...

Posted by Leroidavid">Leroidavid 2007-10-11 10:08|| 2007-10-11 10:08|| Front Page Top

#28 People who think that it is "stupid" to have overthrown the nazi-like Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein, which was responsible for the deaths of almost 2 millions men women and children, are people who hate human life.

Posted by Leroidavid">Leroidavid 2007-10-11 10:10|| 2007-10-11 10:10|| Front Page Top

#29 Nothing about Nazi philosophy was original or exclusive to the movement; it's just that industrialized Germany was so efficient at planning and executing. Beyond that, national and international socialisms both appealed to the much the same kind of people.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-10-11 10:17|| 2007-10-11 10:17|| Front Page Top

#30 "Actually the rights not hostile to immigrants of another color, it's illegal immigrants of any color we have a problem with, but nice try."

If you say so, but I don't see many calls for the repatriation of e.g. Irish illegal immigrants and their descendants.

Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris 2007-10-11 10:17|| http://katsaris.livejournal.com]">[http://katsaris.livejournal.com] 2007-10-11 10:17|| Front Page Top

#31 "Jimmy Carter merely didn't support the Iranian secular tyrant (the Shah) when he was overthrown by the islamofascists."

-true, but what most are referring to is his ineffectual handling of the hostage crisis. He was a weak man.

Posted by Broadhead6 2007-10-11 10:18|| 2007-10-11 10:18|| Front Page Top

#32 Aris says proper comparison is Islamofascism/Islam = Nazism/Germany.

Nope. Comparison would be Islamofascism/Islam = hardliner Nazis versus "moderate" Nazis.

If you look at the proceedings of the Wansee conference you will see that a couple of intervenants advocated mass sterilization of Jews as a humane way of getting rid of them. Also as incredible as it can seem there are a couple of memmbers of the Nazi party members between the people honoured at Yad Vashem.

But these were not true to the letter and spirit of Naaism. But arguing of their existence to say that problem was not Nazism but the harliners like Himmlers, Goebbels, Streicher or Eichmans is stupid ecause it was Goebbels and co who were faithful to the leteer and spirit of Mein Kpf. Same thing for the "good muslims": it is not them but Bin Laden who follow the letter and spirit of Koran and the example set by Muhammad and are true to Islam. You should read Koran along with the life of Muhammad. Really.

Posted by a">a 2007-10-11 10:28|| 2007-10-11 10:28|| Front Page Top

#33 Saddam Hussein was by turns secular and religious as it suited his audience, both at home and abroad. As I recall, he built ammunition dumps, mosques, and palaces with equal abandon.

Aris dear, we've only had controlled immigration since the 1920s. Before that all immigrants were legal. Unless you're referring to the many Irish nurses who've overstayed their visas in recent years?

Posted by trailing wife 2007-10-11 10:31|| 2007-10-11 10:31|| Front Page Top

#34 As soon as Irish illegals break any number resembling 500K you'd hear something...there are probably about 50,000 of them here....the number could be as high as 150,000 depending on what study you believe or as low as 25,000 now as many have gone back because of the "celtic tiger" economy....I know as my dad is dual citizen irish.....contrast that w/the other 12-20 million illegals we have in our country, 70-80% of which from Mexico and you may see a difference. Not to mention the fact that the Irish speak the same language, are higher educated, generally speaking, less likely to fill up jail cells from criminal activity and want to actually integrate. In my experience the same is not true of the hispanics coming in. Bottom line is the U.S. needs a better immigration policy -- but, unfortunately one of our political party's likes the cheap non-union labor and the other salivates over a potential voting block based on giving them the largesse of our state coffers I have little hope anything will get accomplished until after the next election, if then.

Posted by Broadhead6 2007-10-11 10:33|| 2007-10-11 10:33|| Front Page Top

#35 damn, I put the top one in the wrong thread. sorry mods, please redact.

Posted by Broadhead6 2007-10-11 10:34|| 2007-10-11 10:34|| Front Page Top

#36 no, I was right. God, I need my java fix this a.m.

Posted by Broadhead6 2007-10-11 10:35|| 2007-10-11 10:35|| Front Page Top

#37 No you didn't Broadhead6. Aris seems to think all the descendants of those who escaped the Potato Famine should be sent to Ireland.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-10-11 10:36|| 2007-10-11 10:36|| Front Page Top

#38 I think taking the caffeine intravenously might be best, Broadhead6 dear.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-10-11 10:37|| 2007-10-11 10:37|| Front Page Top

#39 TW -- yes, a caffeine I.V. would be good. Patent that idea and take it to Starbucks (aka fourbucks) and you'd have something there!

Unfortunately & as you well know, us mutt's would have a very hard time picking a place to be repatriated to. Heck, me and the Mrs. BH6 would have to look at Ireland, Poland, England, or maybe even Germany. I'm kind of partial to the 'aul sod but 'tis a hard decision I tell ya -- Oktoberfest and all.

Posted by Broadhead6 2007-10-11 10:43|| 2007-10-11 10:43|| Front Page Top

#40 (1) We need this pic from "great Dictator" where the microphone stand bends away when the dictator talks about "Juden".
(2) IMO, the main message of W&M is "look at Jewish lobby---don't even think of petrodolar lobby."

Posted by gromgoru 2007-10-11 10:50|| 2007-10-11 10:50|| Front Page Top

#41 I thought we were comparing *beliefs*

You woundn't believe that I believe about you, Katzaris.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-10-11 10:58|| 2007-10-11 10:58|| Front Page Top

#42 "You should read Koran along with the life of Muhammad. Really."

You mean things like: "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves"

No, wait, that's not the Koran... I may be confusing my holy texts there.

Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris 2007-10-11 11:20|| http://katsaris.livejournal.com]">[http://katsaris.livejournal.com] 2007-10-11 11:20|| Front Page Top

#43 "People who think that it is "stupid" to have overthrown the nazi-like Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein, which was responsible for the deaths of almost 2 millions men women and children, are people who hate human life."

Well you got me, and I stand revealed. I must be hating all human life.

But wait a sec -- several of the people in this thread seem to be saying that *all* the muslims are "nazi-like", and thus *all* the muslims are okay to hate -- I assume this includes the *muslim* victims of Saddam Hussein.

So, solve me this contradiction -- at the same time the people who *most* hate muslim lives, the ones who say there are no innocent muslims, are the ones that *most* supported the removal of Saddam Hussein, supposedly to *save* those oh-so-hated muslim lives.

Here's my own conclusion -- that all portrayed care on the part of conservatives concerning Saddam's muslim victims is nothing but a charade and a mere excuse.

Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris 2007-10-11 11:32|| http://katsaris.livejournal.com]">[http://katsaris.livejournal.com] 2007-10-11 11:32|| Front Page Top

#44 "In short, the present relationship between Washington and Jerusalem is helping to fuel America's terrorism problem,"

At the same time, Walt admitted "the US's problems in the Middle East would not disappear if it had a different relationship with Israel."

IMO, both are accurate statements. Acknowledging realities is not the same as assigning blame.

Posted by DepotGuy 2007-10-11 11:36|| 2007-10-11 11:36|| Front Page Top

#45 "Aris dear, we've only had controlled immigration since the 1920s."

Not exactly -- you also had things like the "Chinese Exclusion Act" in the late 1800s.

But as for controlled immigration in the 1920s -- Yes. Ever asked yourself why?

Was it because it was around then that immigration waves from *Italy* started pouring in. It was the Italian criminals, not the Hispanic ones, that you were using as excuses back then.

It's nice to state it's only the "illegality" that you object to, when you never bother to ask why these laws were made in the first place -- and preserving the traditional AngloSaxon Northern European "ethnic" image of the United States were at the core of them.

Quoting from
wikipedia:
"The Dillingham Commission was instituted by the United States Congress in 1907 to investigate the effects of immigration on the country. The Commission's analysis of American immigration during the previous three decades led it to conclude that the major source of immigration had shifted from northern and western Europeans to southern and eastern Europeans."

Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris 2007-10-11 11:49|| http://katsaris.livejournal.com]">[http://katsaris.livejournal.com] 2007-10-11 11:49|| Front Page Top

#46 Actually, I do know why, Aris. Just as I know that the I.Q. test was originally designed to demonstrate that Southern Europeans and Eastern European Jews were racially inferior and therefore "scientific" test results should be used to block their entry into the U.S... and later to justify quotas.

Intelligence testing and its implications was rather a specialty of my mother's, necessary to the work she did, and so I grew up steeped in the markers between normal intelligence, mental retardation, intellectuallism and pseudo-intellectualism. It's proved quite useful over the years.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-10-11 12:04|| 2007-10-11 12:04|| Front Page Top

#47 Aris Katsaris

What does the "Chinese Exclusion Act" have to do with the above article? Waitlet me answer. Absolutely fucking nothing!

Posted by DepotGuy 2007-10-11 12:07|| 2007-10-11 12:07|| Front Page Top

#48 "Just as I know that the I.Q. test was originally designed to demonstrate that Southern Europeans and Eastern European Jews were racially inferior and therefore "scientific" test results should be used to block their entry into the U.S... and later to justify quotas."

Thanks, trailing wife, that was info I didn't know, and I appreciate having.

Given how you know how those laws originated, why are you still claiming though that race has nothing to do with the question of immigration and objections to it? Whether you consider me pseudo-whatever or not, that seems to me a plain enough question I've not gotten a response to.

Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris 2007-10-11 12:13|| http://katsaris.livejournal.com]">[http://katsaris.livejournal.com] 2007-10-11 12:13|| Front Page Top

#49 "Given how you know how those laws originated, why are you still claiming though that race has nothing to do with the question of immigration and objections to it?"

I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say it's because they're illegal, not because they're Mexican. But you can feel free to carry on with your preconceptions. We'll stop trying to get in your way as everyone here knows better than to try to talk sense with you.

Posted by Mike N. 2007-10-11 12:28|| 2007-10-11 12:28|| Front Page Top

#50 Because Mexicans have emigrated to the U.S. for over a century without trouble, until the trickle that quickly Americanized (you should hear what the legal Mexican-Americans think of their illegal cousins) suddenly became a flood that believes itself entitled to be here, and has been accompanied by people-smugglers that are willing to murder both Mexicans and Americans to accomplish their goals, employed by the same Mexican and Central/South American crime groups that engage in enslaved prostitutes and illegal drugs. Sadly, those in the shadow economy have no defences against the demands of the criminals who control their entrance, and both the U.S. and -- primarily, because of propinquity -- Mexico have suffered from the increased profitablity brought by the orders-of-magnitude increase in people trafficking.

America was built on immigration, and thrives because of it. As it happens, legal immigration has increased over the years as well -- including that from Mexico and points south -- to which few object. But the illegality of illegal immigration, like the illegality of drug trafficking, feeds the growth of criminal gangs that threaten not just the U.S. but even more so Mexico... and Europe as well.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-10-11 12:37|| 2007-10-11 12:37|| Front Page Top

#51 Race may be an issue for some though for most the issue w/*illegal* immigration has more to do w/sovereignty, respect for the law, and the over burden on our social infrastructure. However, the whole argument is a non-starter - *legal* immigration is one thing most here are fine with, having millions flood through our borders illegally because of geographical proximity is another matter. I wouldn't care if these were Mexicans, Canadians, or Eskimos, the principle is the same. Besides this is taking the thread way OT...

Posted by Broadhead6 2007-10-11 12:38|| 2007-10-11 12:38|| Front Page Top

#52 Tee-hee. Methinks TW's tsk'ing of Aris in #46 went over his heed.

Another thread completely hijacked by Aris. Why do you continue to justify and support folks who fly planes into buildings, behead innocents for internet snuff films, intentionally target (and hide behind) women and children, use mentally-disabled pre-teens for homicide boomers, etc., Aris?

Ah well, it's useless. Talking to a wall again.

Posted by BA 2007-10-11 12:48|| 2007-10-11 12:48|| Front Page Top

#53 Aris thrives on the attention. The more interesting and perplexing question is why anyone here still gives him any.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2007-10-11 12:50|| 2007-10-11 12:50|| Front Page Top

#54 I can't read Aris because he doesn't make any sense. I try but then he wades in over his head and I just can't stand it. He takes a little snippet of one thing and a little snippet of something else, he takes it all around the mulberry bush, and then he draws a conclusion from it that has absolutely nothing to do with reality. It's like listening to somebody chew gum or rattle paper. It's like static on the radio. Sorry, Aris, your arguments are just too tedious and twisted. Are you sure you're not a Muslim? I could tolerate a coherent Muslim (if there are any) who at least tries to stay on topic and make sense. For instance, what does illegal immigration from Mexico have to do with US support for Israel? You're off topic, again, which is why the mods ought to ban you. But since you raised the subject, how many Mexicans sneak illegally into Greece and why would they? How many airplanes have been crashed into buildings in Greece? What was the Greek contribution to the Allied effort in WWII? WTF do you know about it, anyway?

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-10-11 12:51|| 2007-10-11 12:51|| Front Page Top

#55 Trailing Wife:

"Nothing about Nazi philosophy was original or exclusive to the movement; it's just that industrialized Germany was so efficient at planning and executing. Beyond that, national and international socialisms both appealed to the much the same kind of people."

Fascism was itself born out of the disillusionment of more perceptive late 19th and early 20th century Marxists in light of the devastating critiques of Marxist economics by the early Austrians. Zeev Sternhell, an Israeli socialist political historian has done excellent work in this area, which is summed up in the linked

article.

Posted by E. Brown 2007-10-11 12:57|| saturninretrograde.blogspot.com]">[saturninretrograde.blogspot.com] 2007-10-11 12:57|| Front Page Top

#56 NS -- it's like gawking at a car wreck or just trying to eat just one lay's potato chip.....sometimes takes more discipline then I can muster :)

EU6305 - it's called the "grab, twist, pull" - "grab" some shit out of the text, "twist" the obvious to fit whatever preconcieved notion you already have and then "pull" it altogether for a self-masturbatory/congratulatory I'm so smart crescendo. Or, scrap that and just avoid a question by asking one.

Posted by Broadhead6 2007-10-11 12:58|| 2007-10-11 12:58|| Front Page Top

#57 "what i mean to say is blame israel, the palestinians are a peaceful lot who just want to get along, so i'm told."

Posted by Victor Emmanuel Unomoting3635 2007-10-11 13:19|| 2007-10-11 13:19|| Front Page Top

#58 "Islam is an ideology" hence it's okay to hate all Muslims.

Ummm ... no. It's because "Islam is an ideology" that necessitates crushing the living shit out of it. Muslims merely represent collateral damage. Just wanted to clear that up.

"Trousered apes". Now that's a keeper.

As to: 'US support for Israel spurred 9/11'

Welcome to the new anti-Semitism.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-10-11 14:01|| 2007-10-11 14:01|| Front Page Top

#59 All along, I just thought it was because the islamics hated us for our infidel way of life. Professors thank you profoundly for my enlightenment. And by the way f#ck you very much.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-10-11 14:14|| 2007-10-11 14:14|| Front Page Top

#60 Aris,

You have indeed taken this thread completely off track, and BA is right, it's like talking to a wall.

But since I have nothing better to do at the moment, allow me to interject regarding your statements on race and immigration.'

My wife was born and raised in Puerto Vallarta. She emigrated, LEGALLY, to the US in 1977. She spoke no English and had no skills to speak of. She taught herself English, worked as a housekeeper, and kept on working hard and learning. She became an American citizen, and did it the hard way. She eventually headed the Housekeeping Department at a large Hilton. She's now the Housekeeping director at a large Hotel resort here in San Antonio. She was given NOTHING, and made something out of it. She believes in the American dream, and so do I.

I deeply resent your charge that the immigration debate is fueled by racism. I'm vehemently opposed to illegal immigration, but my opposition pales in comparison to my wife's. She's deat set against it. Is she a racist against her own people because she opposes those who break the law and won't play by the rules like she did?

Am I a racist against Mexicans because I oppose ILLEGAL immigration? If so, why did I marry one?

There are essentially two diametrically opposed philosophies at work here. The one believes that the rules don't apply to them, and as long as they personally benefit, the rules be damned.

The other believes that to be American is to have a deep and abiding respect for the fact that we are a nation of laws and not of men. My wife and I welcome with open arms any Mexican who wants to emigrate legally.

Throwing racism bombs is a poor substitute for critical thinking and analysis. You might wanna try using your brain for something besides a hat rack. Just a suggestion.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2007-10-11 14:34|| 2007-10-11 14:34|| Front Page Top

#61 Beautiful post, mcsegeek.

You might wanna try using your brain for something besides a hat rack.

Now, that's gonna leave a mark.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-10-11 14:39|| 2007-10-11 14:39|| Front Page Top

#62 Thanks for your input Aris. It is easy to be critical of the rest of the world when speaking from the state of perfection.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-10-11 14:39|| 2007-10-11 14:39|| Front Page Top

#63 Regarding Irish Illegals. If we're talking about the USA I think it's probably a close run between the number of illegal Irish and the number of Irish in law enforcement. If every group had such high levels of civic duty we'd all be better off.

I also can't let Aris's comment on handing Iraq to the Islamofascists slide by. From what I've read a whole hell of a lot of Islamic crazies have died in Iraq and in the process they have shown the Iraqi's who and what they are and spoiled the area for their future conquest (just as the Taliban did before them). Iraq still has problems, but they are actually more the kind of problems you'd find in any post-Imperial state with mixed ethnic groups that hate each other (see Africa).

Posted by rjschwarz 2007-10-11 14:40|| 2007-10-11 14:40|| Front Page Top

#64 I personally prefer "buffoons in Pantaloons."

Time for an "in-your-face" observation, it appears.

The biblical promise to Abraham has been that those who would curse his descendants would be cursed, and those who would bless his descendants would be blessed. Consider the rapid rise and persistence of American power, military and economic, since the recognition of Israel by Truman in 1948, and continued support until this day, compared to the decline of Europe and the persistent vegetative state of the entire Arabic world whose hatred for Jews (now proxied by hatred for "zionism", which is merely Jews in their country defending themselves, rather than trusting those who consider Jews to be commodities only good for political barter).

I would say QED, but the proof is only good to those who hold to a judaeo-christian belief of how the world works. Thus, I shall try a different tack.

The decision to be made is whether to support the Israeli Jews in the creation of an explicit Jewish State, or to support the palestinians in creating a temporarily secular state that will inevitably morph into a Muslim State. The odds of it turning out to be more like Turkey than, say, Pakistan, are not good. In fact, they're abysmal: the demonstrated incompetence of Fatah/Hamas as functional governments "serving the people" is a case in point. An analysis of casualty populations refutes the "they are morally equvalent" argument: The casualties of Palestinian attacks are mostly women and children, while the casualties of the IDF are young males of fighting age. One would not call the IDF immoral for the occasional death of a civilian any more than one should call Palestinian terrorists moral for the occasional death of an Israeli soldier: The patent excuse that the Israeli draft makes the children into "potential soldiers" makes a mockery of the geneva conventions, whose intent is to protect people who are CURRENTLY civilians, and which makes explicit distinctions between legal insurgents and the supportive population within which they operate. Sorry, Aris: you have no authority to issue indulgences for GC violations, since no indulgences are allowed by the conventions.

The only GOOD reason for supporting the Palestinians is that it garners Arab support, which means that the oil is flowing.

The GOOD reasons for supporting the Israelis is that they are a modern Western nation-state, with a functional judiciary system which had demonstratably shown an ability to override military/government considerations with regard to the Security Wall. I do not think those overridings to be particularly intelligent, but the fact that the Judiciary has more power over the Israeli government in its little finger than every Arab/Muslim Judiciary in the entire world says something. Moreover, we have a free people whose technological prowess, on a per capita basis, is far and away the highest in the world.

Thus, the motivation behind the choice of favoring the Palestinians is, based on a physical natural resource. In short, for them, it IS "all about the oil".

The motivation behind the choice of favoring the Israelis is based on qualities of harmony in the fields of the mind (technology and science) and spirit (government, religion, culture).

To paraphrase a certain sage: Those who love the things of the flesh will support those who give them things of the flesh, while those who love the things of the spirit will support those to give them things of the spirit.

Wow. That's so good, I'm posting that at my website.

Posted by ptah">ptah 2007-10-11 14:53|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2007-10-11 14:53|| Front Page Top

#65 Aris Katsaris
Boy you don't understand ex-prez Carter..

I was stupid and voted for him the first time.
I have never voted Democrat (spit) again!

Iran was bad enough but he destroyed the economy.
When he came to power...
A luxury US car was about from $4K to $8k.
A house still in double digits.
A good middle class salary $20k
Interest rate under %10
When he exited:
That luxury US car was about $50K
Homes in triple digits.
A good middle class salary $45K-70K with the middle fast shrinking
Interest rate > %28
dollar falling
gas about 3x the price when he entered.
deep recession.
government in shambles.
North East and North Central turned into a rust bucket.
commies on the rampage in central America
War in Afghanistan for the soviets...
Jihad being beefed up...
then there was the rose garden his nibs would not leave and just pouted in..... (retard)
and billy caught pissing on the Lincoln Memorial
BCCI
KoreaGate
BCCI funding Paki a-bomb with help from Dem leaders.
on and on and on...

He was the worst president ever! Bar none!

Posted by 3dc 2007-10-11 15:53|| 2007-10-11 15:53|| Front Page Top

#66 John Mearsheimer and Harvard Stephen Walt must have gone to the same public school Aris did.

No mistake about it, Islam's call to convert, kill us all or enslave us caused. 9-11. Aris no other large cult demands this, Deal with it and try to be a grown up and stay on topic.

Posted by Icerigger">Icerigger 2007-10-11 17:50|| 2007-10-11 17:50|| Front Page Top

#67 to get back OT -- if this professor asserts this notion of 9/11 as payback for support of Israel then why didn't binny go to the occupied territories back in the 80s and fight the evil zionists vice the ruskies?? My take is that because he never really gave a f*ck about the paleostinians -- just like most of these terror-hacks in the m.e. The media keeps talking about this arab street and paleo question. To me there is no question. All the iraqis I met here or over there didn't give a sh*t about palestine. Arab leaders certainly do not -- biggest straw man on the planet.

BTW - imho OBL was more pissed about American ventures in the majik kindom then palestine. In either case, I could give a f*ck what OBL's problems are or what that moron thinks. I don't try to understand or reason w/rabid dogs - that's what God invented buckshot for.

Posted by Broadhead6 2007-10-11 18:07|| 2007-10-11 18:07|| Front Page Top

#68

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2007-10-11 20:19|| 2007-10-11 20:19|| Front Page Top

#69 Well, that was entirely unexpected.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-10-11 21:24|| 2007-10-11 21:24|| Front Page Top

#70 I would like to add that it was very welcome.

Posted by Mike N. 2007-10-11 21:27|| 2007-10-11 21:27|| Front Page Top

#71 Enough, as they say, was enough. He's banned.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2007-10-11 21:30|| 2007-10-11 21:30|| Front Page Top

#72 I've learned on RB: don't argue with an un/underemployed greek troll - he won't respond and when you prove him wrong, he'll change the subject. Not very well, either. Wile E. Coyote was a "supergenius" too

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-10-11 21:35|| 2007-10-11 21:35|| Front Page Top

#73 thanks, DD. My scroll-finger has carpal the last couple days

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-10-11 21:36|| 2007-10-11 21:36|| Front Page Top

#74 I miss Aris already...

Posted by badanov 2007-10-11 21:36|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2007-10-11 21:36|| Front Page Top

#75 like a healed cold sore?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-10-11 21:41|| 2007-10-11 21:41|| Front Page Top

#76 That was Fred's decision, BTW, after getting input from several of the mods.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2007-10-11 21:47|| 2007-10-11 21:47|| Front Page Top

#77 I agree, heartily

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-10-11 22:06|| 2007-10-11 22:06|| Front Page Top

#78 I second the emotion. The goon had descended into outright and off-topic provocation solely for provocation's sake. I won't miss him.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-10-11 22:17|| 2007-10-11 22:17|| Front Page Top

#79 Thanks, Mods. My wrist support thanks you as well.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2007-10-11 22:22|| 2007-10-11 22:22|| Front Page Top

#80

Posted by Hans Klass 2007-10-11 22:48|| 2007-10-11 22:48|| Front Page Top

#81 Troll nukin. Me like.

Posted by twobyfour 2007-10-11 22:55|| http://www.twobyfour.info]">[http://www.twobyfour.info] 2007-10-11 22:55|| Front Page Top

#82

Posted by Mike Sylwester 2007-10-11 22:58|| 2007-10-11 22:58|| Front Page Top

#83

Posted by Hans Klass 2007-10-11 23:00|| 2007-10-11 23:00|| Front Page Top

#84 Git #80 pls, too. Looks like Aris' evil twin's here. Same ass'ol, same ass'ol.

Posted by twobyfour 2007-10-11 23:01|| http://www.twobyfour.info]">[http://www.twobyfour.info] 2007-10-11 23:01|| Front Page Top

#85

Posted by Hans Klass 2007-10-11 23:03|| 2007-10-11 23:03|| Front Page Top

#86

Posted by Hans Klass 2007-10-11 23:04|| 2007-10-11 23:04|| Front Page Top

#87

Posted by Mike Sylwester 2007-10-11 23:07|| 2007-10-11 23:07|| Front Page Top

#88 Mike, please recalibrate your troll meter. Tolerating trolls leads to fouled places.

Posted by twobyfour 2007-10-11 23:11|| http://www.twobyfour.info]">[http://www.twobyfour.info] 2007-10-11 23:11|| Front Page Top

#89 Hold on a sec, Mike Sylwester was demed a toll too?
Thouhgt he was just a troll sympathiser...

Posted by twobyfour 2007-10-11 23:14|| http://www.twobyfour.info]">[http://www.twobyfour.info] 2007-10-11 23:14|| Front Page Top

#90 Yes, RB requires a refund from you for wasted time in dealing with trolls.

Posted by twobyfour 2007-10-11 23:17|| http://www.twobyfour.info]">[http://www.twobyfour.info] 2007-10-11 23:17|| Front Page Top

#91

Posted by Hans Klass 2007-10-11 23:21|| 2007-10-11 23:21|| Front Page Top

#92 So, lemme get it straight... you want a spam? Because that would be a refund in kind.

Posted by twobyfour 2007-10-11 23:25|| http://www.twobyfour.info]">[http://www.twobyfour.info] 2007-10-11 23:25|| Front Page Top

#93 Civil, well-reasoned discourse

Do that and you'll be okay.

Posted by twobyfour 2007-10-11 23:35|| http://www.twobyfour.info]">[http://www.twobyfour.info] 2007-10-11 23:35|| Front Page Top

#94

Posted by Hans Klass 2007-10-11 23:40|| 2007-10-11 23:40|| Front Page Top

#95 Spewing strawmen and non-sequitur is not how tango is danced.

Posted by twobyfour 2007-10-11 23:44|| http://www.twobyfour.info]">[http://www.twobyfour.info] 2007-10-11 23:44|| Front Page Top

#96 I've been over teaching a friend how to use a computer, and just getting back to Rantburg. I see Aris is spewing his usual narrow minded and usually wrong nonsense.

Aris, the reason the Shah was overthrown was because he was trying to push Iran into the 20th Century. The mullahs objected to most of what he was doing, and used lies and innuendo to destroy the Shah and what he was doing. As usual, your view of things is narrow and parochial, distorted, and full of bs.

Fred, where's the trooper? We need the Trooper for Aris' comments.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2007-10-11 23:48|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2007-10-11 23:48|| Front Page Top

#97 T-minus 24 months and counting ... if Fred is having a good at that point in the future. These gits sure didn't have much staying power.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-10-11 23:50|| 2007-10-11 23:50|| Front Page Top

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