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2007-08-31 Iraq

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Posted by Zenster 2007-08-31 14:56|| || Front Page|| [7 views ] Top

#1 This is why I advocate abolishing the current Iraqi constitution and ordering their government to create a document that has ZERO basis in shari'a law. Until this de-emphasis on theocratic governance happens, far too much official sponsorship of sectarian interests will continue and Iraq will remain mired in its own petty Islamic tyranny and terrorism.

It would be nice to see that filth out of the constitution, bot I think we have to be honest. It doesn't matter what the constitution says, they're gonna fund this crap anyway.

Posted by Mike N. 2007-08-31 16:09|| 2007-08-31 16:09|| Front Page Top

#2 We need to learn our lesson

More importantly, the Iraqis need to learn the lesson. after all, they are the ones mostly being kidnapped and blown up and harassed by criminal gangs posing as religious/ethnic/tribal/community saviours. We managed to make the Germans (partially) and the Japanese learn how to rule themselves; if we remove this elected government before the Iraqis themselves understand the price they paid for choosing group solidarity over individual competence and character, it will take that much longer before we can declare this experiment finished, for better or worse.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-08-31 16:25|| 2007-08-31 16:25|| Front Page Top

#3 Having shari'a filth expunged from Iraq's (and Afghanistan's) constitution would make it a lot easier to declare them "failed states" once they tried to enable the human rights abuses intrinsic to such totalitarian garbage. This would serve as a lever against such Islamic predations and justify immediate military intervention should they be audacious enough to try.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-31 16:26|| 2007-08-31 16:26|| Front Page Top

#4 if we remove this elected government before the Iraqis themselves understand the price they paid for choosing group solidarity over individual competence and character, it will take that much longer before we can declare this experiment finished, for better or worse.

Damn good point, tw. However, this current batch of gangsters is causing the death of American troops and that is simply unacceptable. At the very least, some of them should be executed by us for complicity with the terrorists.

It would be quite grand to have the collective nose of Iraq's people rubbed in the folly of their religious sectarianism and its deadly harvest. Sadly, I am beginning to doubt whether:

A.) They care.
B.) They honestly prefer peace over jihad.
C.) They can let go of their Shiite identity in favor of patriotism.
D.) They are even worth it.
E.) They deserve anything more than a brutal military dictatorship that prevents them from facilitating international terrorism, which is one of the only long term interests we actually have in the Middle East.

I have essentially lost all hope that democracy can be made to survivemuch less flourishin Muslim majority countries. The Koran's insistence upon theocratic governance under shari'a law represents a stanglehold upon all other political processes. This simply prohibits any prospect of modernization and moderation.

Far better that we begin crushing all forms of Islamic theocracy in the process of dismantling Islam. Once that has been accomplished, then we can come back and begin to sow the seeds of democracy. Islam is so poisonous to all political reform that it is a hopeless task to try and seed each small plot as we go. The toxic runoff from other surrounding Islamic nations will stunt and kill each local planting that we perform. It will probably require that we first destroy the poisoned tree of Islam and thereby prevent its toxin-laden fruit from continuing to murder all progress.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-31 16:44|| 2007-08-31 16:44|| Front Page Top

#5 Oh, I've no problem going after Mr. al Sadr to the knife hilt, Zenster. I just don't see that his continued existence demands the removal of the government, even if Maliki is kinda sorta trying to not really not protect him.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-08-31 18:01|| 2007-08-31 18:01|| Front Page Top

#6 More importantly, the Iraqis need to learn the lesson.

Ah, TW if they haven't learned the lesson in 1400 (approx) years since Muhammad, what makes you think they'll do now?

Posted by gromgoru 2007-08-31 18:03|| 2007-08-31 18:03|| Front Page Top

#7 It's the first time Muslims have been conquered by overwhelming force, with glass melters available in reserve. If they can't learn under those conditions, it can't be done. And then we will know what we must do.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-08-31 21:01|| 2007-08-31 21:01|| Front Page Top

#8 Spot on, tw.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-31 21:29|| 2007-08-31 21:29|| Front Page Top

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