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2007-07-13 India-Pakistan

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Posted by gromky 2007-07-13 02:36|| || Front Page|| [18 views ] Top
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#1 After a quick read I admit to some confusion. Isn't this the type of leverage/reaction the USA should have in similar situations? Aren't we craving our government to tell Musharraf and his like, "take care of this or else" and to see them jump? Understand, China is evil, but it's better to be feared than loved.

Posted by Captain Lewis 2007-07-13 09:21|| 2007-07-13 09:21|| Front Page Top

#2 It's not the leverage, it's why they chose to apply it in this situation. It speaks more about China than it does Pakistan. Musharraf is risking a hell of a lot to pacify his Chinese sponsors.

And the last two bold sentences should be highlighted instead...my mistake.

Posted by gromky 2007-07-13 09:29|| 2007-07-13 09:29|| Front Page Top

#3 As an interesting aside, the Chinese are also getting very assertive in sending enforcers to attack Chinese nationals outside of China that criticize China's government.

So far, they have only attacked Chinese. However, when some group decides to start attacking Chinese nationals or Chinese interests in other countries, it is not unimaginable that these enforcers might start doing hits on them.

Imagine that, whacking some Mullah who orders his followers to attack the Chinese...what a charming idea.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-07-13 09:38|| 2007-07-13 09:38|| Front Page Top

#4 Chinese citizens and Chinese interests are fanning out around the globe at a rate that is unequaled in this country's long history. Wherever they land the Chinese are very often reproducing a Chinese way of life, as Americans did in the postwar era over half a century ago.

"The Ugly Chinese" as in "The Ugly American" in the 1950s?

It doesn't appear the Chinese embrace cult of death notions as do the muslimes.

Prostitution in a muslime country would be asking for trouble.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-07-13 09:46|| 2007-07-13 09:46|| Front Page Top

#5 A: So far, they have only attacked Chinese. However, when some group decides to start attacking Chinese nationals or Chinese interests in other countries, it is not unimaginable that these enforcers might start doing hits on them.

I think this idea is about as likely as the notion of James Bond operating seamlessly among the natives. Chinese stick out like sore thumbs in Pakistan. There is no chance they will locate their adversaries before they themselves are tracked down. It's pretty easy to blend in with Chinese dissident groups because all they have to do is lie their butts off about their personal beliefs. Blending in with Pakistani madrassa students is a whole different ball of wax. Besides, if Chinese operatives don't dare to actually kill people here in America, where the worst that can happen is that they might go to jail, they certainly won't kill people in Pakistan, where they can be tortured to death by highly imaginative means over extended periods of time.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2007-07-13 10:01|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2007-07-13 10:01|| Front Page Top

#6 J: "The Ugly Chinese" as in "The Ugly American" in the 1950s?

The Ugly American is a myth spread by communists. Let's not perpetuate this myth.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2007-07-13 10:02|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2007-07-13 10:02|| Front Page Top

#7 The Chinese may have encouraged Mush to take down the Red Mosque terrorists but he had his own reasons (i.e., several attempts on his life).

Posted by mhw 2007-07-13 10:17|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/] 2007-07-13 10:17|| Front Page Top

#8 "The Ugly American" was a book written by WILLIAM J. LEDERER AND EUGENE BURDICK. The book was the basis of a movie by the same name starring Marlon Brando. As I recall, it wasn't a particularly good movie. Hollywood tripe.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-07-13 12:08|| 2007-07-13 12:08|| Front Page Top

#9 J: "The Ugly American" was a book written by WILLIAM J. LEDERER AND EUGENE BURDICK. The book was the basis of a movie by the same name starring Marlon Brando. As I recall, it wasn't a particularly good movie. Hollywood tripe.

If you've read the book, you'll know that the phrase "Ugly American" referred to the guy's looks. He was, however, the good guy. The phrase has been deliberately confused with the portrayal in Graham Greene's (the Communist) book "The Quiet American", where the American is the bad guy creating problems for the nice Vietnamese communist guerrillas.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2007-07-13 13:14|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2007-07-13 13:14|| Front Page Top

#10 often bring an insular clannishness

Read: Poor cultural assimilation.

a driven style of management

Read: Unpeturbed about such petty issues as slavery.

an unblushing attitude toward corruption

Read: Being Chinese

On an interesting note: When "The Ugly American" was first published, the CIA suspected Burdick and Lederer of having gained access to top secret files on American operations in Southeast Asia, despite their having made up the entire story. Anyone who has not read this book really needs to. It was one of the early works that exposed Soviet misinformation and the methods by which America's gestures of good will in Asia were routinely turned against it.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-07-13 14:05|| 2007-07-13 14:05|| Front Page Top

#11 What the author glazes over is the history of the Red Mosque. Taking a guess one might speculate that the kidnappings were used as an excuse to deal with the pricks.

Posted by Icerigger">Icerigger 2007-07-13 16:27|| 2007-07-13 16:27|| Front Page Top

#12 I left the manuscript for the "Breathless American" in a uranium lined vault.

Posted by Graham Greene 2007-07-13 16:54|| 2007-07-13 16:54|| Front Page Top

#13 Chicom support for the Red Turbans has been known since Reagan-Bush 1 - iff I were the Pakis I would be very concerned attitudes by post-9-11 pro-China bloggers + mil Perts belabeling Pakistan as future Chinese territory ala North Korea.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-07-13 23:21|| 2007-07-13 23:21|| Front Page Top

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