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2007-07-12 Olde Tyme Religion

TGA - We need to discuss this guy you supported.

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Posted by 3dc 2007-07-12 00:05|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 1) TGA is probably dead. He was about eighty five last time he posted.

2) What the Pope says has sense. Protestant churches don't descend from Peter. I will not discuss about denying them the name Churches.

3) It is the BBC. You can count on them to try to smear anyone who opposed Islamo-fascists and put him in bad light.

4) "The King of France does not remeber offences made to the Dauphin" and the Pope is not bound by what he said when he was a lower ranked cleric and nwas not the custodian of the Catholic Church as a whole.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2007-07-12 04:21|| 2007-07-12 04:21|| Front Page Top

#2 1) I hope not. I prefer to think him active in the current government, though it doesn't seem to show much.

2) Doesn't make much sense to pick a fight like this now when you're in a great position to demonstrate how irrational and dangerous the muzzies are. Have the Lutherans suddenly bercome a threat to the Vatican?

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2007-07-12 07:46|| 2007-07-12 07:46|| Front Page Top

#3 The press in general, and the British press specifically, have little interest in Christianity unless the topic encourages ad revenues.

Typically, the Beeb does not link the original document. Here it is.

FOX contributor Fr. Jonathan Morris ( commentary ) explains that the purpose of the document is to clarify for Catholics and non-Catholics exactly what the Catholic Church believes is true.

An excerpt from the Morris commentary:

If we read this document, therefore, as if it were a press release to media outlets, we simply wont get it. The headlines I have seen in the mainstream media confirm most journalists are not theologians, and in this case didnt bother to consult experts of sound, Catholic theology regarding what the debate is all about. Without a proper context, we read that the Pope says some non-Catholic Christian communities are not churches in the proper sense of the word meaning, they are not part of the one Church Jesus established while on Earth and think he is trying to say if a persons name and address is not registered in the local Catholic parish, he or she is not going to heaven. The Pope doesnt mean that. Ill say it again; the Pope is not saying only registered, baptized Catholics can be saved, and any journalists or critic who says otherwise, has officially missed the point.

Speaking of salvation, from the sight of things as I see it, it is quite possible that many present day non-Catholic Christians who are fervent believers in, and practitioners of, the teachings of Jesus will get to heaven before the throngs of wishy-washy, nominal Catholics who only show up to the church doors for infant baptism, the taking of marriage vows, and their own funeral. Of course, I dont know who will be on the other side of the pearly gates, but I believe, with the Pope, that there is more to the challenge of personal justification and salvation than calling oneself a Catholic or a Christian, for that matter. God works everywhere and in mysterious ways, and if we respond generously to him in as much as he reveals himself to us, I believe his grace will be sufficient. In this most recent document, the Pope puts this principle like this:

It is possible, according to Catholic doctrine, to affirm correctly that the Church of Christ is present and operative in the churches and ecclesial Communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church, on account of the elements of sanctification and truth that are present in them

Veteran Vatican-watcher Sandro Magister also comments (here ) and includes the Vatican's commentary on the letter, published by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF).

Posted by mrp 2007-07-12 07:47|| 2007-07-12 07:47|| Front Page Top

#4 Nimble Spemble

The pope didn't pick a fight. The BBC has released things he told years ago. It is the BBC who is trying to start a fight between Catholics and Protestants and divert the attention from Muslims. Also I remind you that here this is a discussion about the Catholic doctrine a domain where the Pope is the final authority. If the statrement was presented not as Cardinal Ratzinger's position but as the doctrine of the Church then it had to be approved and even inspirted by John Paul II and reflect the former Pope's opinion much more than Cardinal Ratzinger's opinion.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2007-07-12 09:17|| 2007-07-12 09:17|| Front Page Top

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