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2007-06-22 Europe
Top German Cardinal: Christianity Needs Special Status in Europe
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Posted by mrp 2007-06-22 09:19|| || Front Page|| [11130 views ]  Top
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#1 Funny, they got no problem saying Scientology doesn't deserve equality with Christianity. I may despise the clams, but they're no worse than the Muslims.
Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2007-06-22 11:53|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2007-06-22 11:53|| Front Page Top

#2 The splendor of the Chartes moskk, will ever stand.
Posted by Shipman 2007-06-22 12:39||   2007-06-22 12:39|| Front Page Top

#3 It sounds like they are conflating culture with religion. On the other hand, it is right that Germany should demand parity in religious acceptance from Turkey and the other sources of their Muslim immigrants: 1 mosque, 1 church leading to No church? Then no mosque. The U.S. should be demanding the same for the source countries of our own Muslims: Pakistan, the Palestinian territories (wouldn't that put the cat among the pigeons!), Syria, Egypt, India (the Hindus are actively not keen on conversions as well, for some reason), Indonesia, Malaysia... and of course Saudi Arabia.

It's something to consider, anyway. And to make noises about, to prepare the ground, so to speak.
Posted by trailing wife 2007-06-22 12:59||   2007-06-22 12:59|| Front Page Top

#4 Also, TW, I don't know for that cardinal but in my mind Christianity as base of european culture means judeo-christianity.
Posted by JFM">JFM  2007-06-22 13:59||   2007-06-22 13:59|| Front Page Top

#5 Germany's highest-ranking cardinal has warned against indifference and uncritical tolerance which he says could lead to Islam enjoying equal standing with Christianity in the country.

Yet Lehmann cannot bring himself to call "uncritical tolerance" by its real name: "Multiculturalism". His is the wrong approach. Attempting to implement even a vague form of theocracy or preferential treatment plays directly into the hands of Muslims. They'll install their own brand at the first opportunity.

The correct approach is to strip Islam of its improperly awarded religious status and protections, ban its practice on the grounds that shari'a law is a violation of human rights and begin deporting any Muslim that so much as spits on the sidewalk.

While Christianity indeed helped to shape Europe's historical and legal culture, it is Islam's slow jihad demographic ascendancy which poses the real threat. If Europeans refuse to out-breed Muslims, then they'd better begin out-placing them. There are no other means by which slow jihad can be overcome, save evolving a two-tier society or a return to genocide.

Meisner, who last year banned Catholic children from praying with Muslim classmates, said a real test of religious tolerance would be whether Christians could build churches and worship freely in Turkey, as Muslims can in Germany.

Bingo! Reciprocity in religious freedom is something that Christians—and religious practicioners everywhere—had better begin clamoring for. The Muslim world must be made to demonstrate peaceful coexistence other cultures. Any failure to do so must permanently brand Muslims as the intolerant gangsters they always have been. Much of this world's survival depends upon this or—inevitably—far more harsh measures.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-06-22 14:38||   2007-06-22 14:38|| Front Page Top

#6 Maybe if the "Christian" churches in Europe actually preached Christianity, had to live off the donations of their parishoners instead of being paid by the State, from taxes imposed for that purpose, they might enjoy a little more popularity. God is hard to find in a state-run church, and that includes Islamic mosques.
Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot  2007-06-22 16:41|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]  2007-06-22 16:41|| Front Page Top

#7 I read a post on a forum last night that sums it up nicely. "Multiculturalism works for everyone but muslims and Mexicans."
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2007-06-22 21:42|| www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]">[www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]  2007-06-22 21:42|| Front Page Top

#8 who last year banned Catholic children from praying with Muslim classmates

And I should listen to this weasel why, exactly? Because the sins of the father are visited upon the son? Rubbish. Worse than rubbish - dangerous rubbish. I grew up with this kind of sh!t in the Old South and I know what it breeds: hatred and unnecessary conflict. If the culture of European Christians is stronger – and I still think that it is - than letting your children play with Muslim children will help to integrate them into your society. If it’s not, then you’ve got bigger problems than letting your kids play with the corner store owner’s kids.

If there’s ever is going to be a “moderate,” westernized Islam, then that is where it will have to start – with kids growing up together. We’ll be over this whole hump when little Abdul doesn’t want to blow up the school bus because it’s filled with his playmates, and not a moment before. It’s called the M-e-l-t-I-n-g P-o-t, Cardinal Lehmann, and it works.

Old Patriot raises an excellent point, though. When I was getting drunk in Austria about five months ago, the bar tender told me that the government collects tithes directly from the paychecks of registered Catholic Austrians to support the Church. My snarky comment was “So everybody’s a registered Protestant then, huh?” To which he said “No, 79% of us are registered Catholics.”

So, the State Church is already an honored tradition even in modern Europe. Which is not only why our ancestors left, but will also prove useful should the Muslims take over. The apparatus is already in place for them in many countries should they achieve majority population. And, if Lehmann has his way, they’ll have a legitimate axe to grind should they get there (not that they need one).
Posted by Secret Master 2007-06-22 21:59||   2007-06-22 21:59|| Front Page Top

#9 I take your point, Secret Master, and agree with you re: playing together.

I understood the article tosay that the cardinal forbade them praying together, which is something else. The stance of at least some Muslims is that anyone who says the basic prayers becomes a Muslim, whether knowingly or not - and may not recant in the future.
Posted by lotp 2007-06-22 22:12||   2007-06-22 22:12|| Front Page Top

#10  and I still think that it is - than letting your children play with Muslim children will help to integrate them into your society. If it’s not, then you’ve got bigger problems than letting your kids play with the corner store owner’s kids.

Secret Master, Cardinal Lehmann banned Catholic children from PRAYING with their Muslim classmats, not "playing". I think its pretty likely that Muslim students tended to pray using imam-approved chants.
Posted by mrp 2007-06-22 22:14||   2007-06-22 22:14|| Front Page Top

#11 Registered church members (Catholic, Lutheran, Jewish only) pay a percentage of their taxes as tithe in Germany as well, although they must write a separate check once a year instead of the payroll department handling the details. Most do not do this as statement of their own faith, but so that they can be buried by the church when they die, and so their children can have lovely church weddings and church funerals later. I can't speak about Austria, but in Germany it's mostly about a pretty stage setting... church weddings have no legal standing, and take place after the civil service at City Hall, often enough the entire party walking directly from one to the other.
Posted by trailing wife 2007-06-22 23:11||   2007-06-22 23:11|| Front Page Top

#12 Whoops! Well, I was in a ranting mood in any case.
Posted by Secret Master 2007-06-22 23:14||   2007-06-22 23:14|| Front Page Top

#13 You aren't the only one who's felt the need, Secret Master. ;-)

The last paragraph of your rant raises a good point though, especially if the majority of those registered do not believe. Why object, then, to tithing to a different religious authority that also doesn't own one's allegiance?

Posted by trailing wife 2007-06-22 23:24||   2007-06-22 23:24|| Front Page Top

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