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2007-05-01 Iraq

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Posted by Steve White 2007-05-01 00:00|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Where are they getting the tankers of chlorine?

Posted by 3dc 2007-05-01 00:42|| 2007-05-01 00:42|| Front Page Top

#2 Ramadi is a Sunni town. These idiots are attacking their own support base. They'll go the same way as the Algerian jihadists.

Posted by Apostate 2007-05-01 02:04|| 2007-05-01 02:04|| Front Page Top

#3 The local tribes are trying to toss the beturbanned invaders, so the beturbanned invaders have declared them apostates.

Posted by Fred 2007-05-01 08:32|| 2007-05-01 08:32|| Front Page Top

#4 Chlorine is common in industrialized nations.

Posted by Chuck Simmins">Chuck Simmins 2007-05-01 10:01|| http://northshorejournal.org]">[http://northshorejournal.org] 2007-05-01 10:01|| Front Page Top

#5 and morons who will use it to kill their own people are common in arab countries.

Posted by Senate treo 2007-05-01 10:25|| 2007-05-01 10:25|| Front Page Top

#6 Chuck - common is one thing.
If I wanted to to buy a tanker of chlorine, what do you think my chances are?
It would start with a quiz about my reasons and flags would slowly build up.
So... no BATF no DEA no regulations at all - nothing.

Look here in Illinois if I want to buy an over the counter thing like a styptic pencil or some allergy meds its behind the counter because some folk make nasty stuff with those things...

An amino-acid (a building block of life) even got outlawed after a questionable death in Japan for the real reason that some chemist had figured out an easy way to make LSD out of l-tryptophan and CLOROX. If that can happen in the US why can folks get hold of chlorine tanker trucks in Iraq without batting an eye and no trace?

Iraq really needs some NANNY-STATE memes.

Posted by 3dc 2007-05-01 10:41|| 2007-05-01 10:41|| Front Page Top

#7 3dc:

i doubt that they are buying the stuff. rather more likely the tankers are heisted as they cross into the area or supplied by freindlies in neighboring countries.

Posted by Abu do you love 2007-05-01 11:12|| 2007-05-01 11:12|| Front Page Top

#8 So require chlorine trailers to have working Lojac's or they are not permitted entry into Iraq.
Track them...

Posted by 3dc 2007-05-01 11:29|| 2007-05-01 11:29|| Front Page Top

#9 3dc:

that is often refered in systems admin as "a silicon based solution to a carbon pased problem"

any enhanced security measure can and will be circumvented. this is first and formost a carbon based problem. eradicate those who would steal the trucks, and then we dont have to worry about the trucks beng stolen or having to solve the next delima when they adapt to having to disable a lojac system.

Posted by Abu do you love 2007-05-01 11:47|| 2007-05-01 11:47|| Front Page Top

#10 If I wanted to to buy a tanker of chlorine, what do you think my chances are?

In a civilized nation? You'd probably face all sorts of paper work and, in the end, the transport would be handled by people trained and licensed to do it safely.

In a Third World country? Particularly in a Muslim country? A little baksheesh and the right contacts, and you're golden.

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2007-05-01 12:11|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2007-05-01 12:11|| Front Page Top

#11 Chlorine in Iraq is used to purify water. Since there few large sources of clean water, many places do their own purification. This results in lots of truck carrying chlorine for legit reasons.

Al

Posted by Frozen Al 2007-05-01 12:23|| 2007-05-01 12:23|| Front Page Top

#12 They need tighter controls on it.

Posted by Hank 2007-05-01 14:39|| 2007-05-01 14:39|| Front Page Top

#13 Newer water plants and even older plants are upgrading to Miox or Chlortec units, which generate the necessary hypochlorite disinfetant by electrolysis of salt brine solutions. The resultant solution is about 0.5% free hypochlorite. Chlorine gas is nasty stuff. Break the valve off the top of a cylinder and you are in deep doo doo, although you will be sanitized. The sooner you get the gaseous chlorine out of the area, any area, the safer you are.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2007-05-01 14:46|| 2007-05-01 14:46|| Front Page Top

#14 Where are they getting the tankers of chlorine?

It's used extensively in petrochemistry.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-05-01 18:30|| 2007-05-01 18:30|| Front Page Top

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