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2007-04-24 Iraq

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Posted by xbalanke 2007-04-24 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Just surprised it hasn't happened earlier. This is direct result of stationing troops in isolated outposts with no defensible perimeters so that they can "win over" the locals. Just stupid. Look for more of this.

Posted by Woozle Elmeter2970 2007-04-24 00:16|| 2007-04-24 00:16|| Front Page Top

#2 WE: Just surprised it hasn't happened earlier. This is direct result of stationing troops in isolated outposts with no defensible perimeters so that they can "win over" the locals. Just stupid. Look for more of this.

I take it you mean isolated from other friendly forces. Because if they were isolated from the locals, this would probably be fine. The problem is that they're probably smack in the middle of the terrorist-supporting locals, in some urban area, without a lot of room in any direction to keep car bombers at standoff distances. Now, if they were given authorization to clear a 200-yard radius in every direction, things might be a little less risky. Again, it may come down to ROE's - not just what they can do to engage the enemy, but what they can do in the way of requisitioning local land.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2007-04-24 02:06|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2007-04-24 02:06|| Front Page Top

#3 It has been well-reported or overtly announced that armed militias + terror orgs in LEBANON-ME would begin specifically targeting not only IDF personnel inside Lebanon, but also consider attacks on US + Western/Allied + Israeli interests or targets anywhere in the Region or World in support of Lebanese and other
"resistance" groups. NO LONGER AGZ ISRAEL = IDF FORCES ONLY IN LEBANON. Uniformed soldiers can be interpreted as falling in the former categories. Radical islam can play PYWAR/PYOPS just as anyone else during the Cold War.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-04-24 02:08|| 2007-04-24 02:08|| Front Page Top

#4 The jihadis no longer need to taut their bloody work as a great triumph for Islam over the West. Harry Reid will do it for them.

Posted by Baba Tutu 2007-04-24 02:32|| 2007-04-24 02:32|| Front Page Top

#5 Besoeker Belgium Congo solution:

Effective immediately, all host nation personnel walk, ride a donkey, bicycle and wear a polo shirt with the tail tucked in, men, wimin, kids, everybody. We will re-think autombiles and trucks in 12 months, or after we pull out. There, I phueching said it! Make it so!

Posted by Besoeker 2007-04-24 05:10|| 2007-04-24 05:10|| Front Page Top

#6 This attack was in Diyala.

So was this:
"A vehicle-borne improvised explosive device detonated at an Iraqi police checkpoint near Diyala's provincial council headquarters Monday, killing 6 policemen on site and wounding 13 more, one of whom died of wounds."

But:
"As lethal and non-lethal operations continue in the Diyala River Valley, Coalition Forces continue to see signs of progress throughout the area which clearly shows the people's disdain for terrorist activity and the increasing support of the Iraqi Security Forces," said Col. David W. Sutherland, senior U.S. Army officer in Diyala.

Diyala is where it's happening right now. Hopefully the hammer will meet the anvil.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2007-04-24 07:39|| 2007-04-24 07:39|| Front Page Top

#7 The leftist agenda driven Washington Dems & sellout RINO's declaring 'we lost' in Iraq, continue strengthening the jihadist terrorist enemy, in effect encouraging the Islamist serial killers to discover additional vicious methods of murdering more of our brave troops.

The betrayers should be very proud of themselves that more fellow Americans, serving their nation, keeping them free to mouth off, were slaughtered, with twenty wounded, resulting from the revolting appeasing turncoat's willingly giving aid & comfort to our sworn enemies.

Posted by Mark Espinola 2007-04-24 08:32|| 2007-04-24 08:32|| Front Page Top

#8 An Al Qaeda-linked group posted a Web statement Tuesday claiming responsibility for a suicide car bombing that killed nine U.S. soldiers and wounded 20 in the worst attack on American ground forces in Iraq in more than a year.

I repeat myself but, God Bless men and women who love our country so much that they are willing to serve it. We care and are forever grateful.

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not safe for work,
found this a couple of days ago on the 'net, it could be old or new I'm not sure.
here's a graphic look at what our guys and gals are up against:

SplodeyDope arrives in paradise lookin for virgins and raisins in all the wrong places.

Posted by RD">RD 2007-04-24 10:29|| 2007-04-24 10:29|| Front Page Top

#9 Zhang Fei...agreed. It was either a ROE failure, or a failure at the trooper level. Not pointing fingers.

However, those guys need chain guns guarding the entrance of the mini-forts...like the Cobras and Apaches. A M-60 or 50 cal will not stop a drug crazed, jihadi-cockroach unless their is a really luck shot.

Posted by anymouse">anymouse 2007-04-24 12:30|| 2007-04-24 12:30|| Front Page Top

#10 A chain gun that is manually operated has about zero chance of hitting a target. There is just too much torque. Put it on a remote and it might work. But you can achieve a hell of a lot with an M240 or M2 if you are prepared for this threat.
Diyala is where the action is right now. We are going into indian country in a much more agressive fashion to try and recreate the success we've had in Anbar. That success is centered upon getting the locals to stand up to these swine. That only happens when we are in and amongst them long enough to build trust. The strategy has risks, as evidenced by the loss of these brave men. But it has been working in Anbar and can work in Diyala too.

Posted by remoteman 2007-04-24 13:17|| 2007-04-24 13:17|| Front Page Top

#11 remoteman...I agree that the successes that the Marines are having in the Al Anbar are directly related to the AQ-local sunni breakdown. Actionable intel comes from the locals more often than not.

I also agree that a manually operated chaingun would not necessarily be confused with a sniper rifle. However. I don't agree that the M240 is the weapon I want trying to stop a semi filled with explosives. Maybe a couple of 50 cals. But you need something that will chew up a steel truck with makeshift armor plating at 100+ yards.

Posted by anymouse">anymouse 2007-04-24 13:36|| 2007-04-24 13:36|| Front Page Top

#12 anymouse,

quad 50s, duster 40mm, ontos, or Audy Murphy.

;-)

Posted by RD">RD 2007-04-24 14:24|| 2007-04-24 14:24|| Front Page Top

#13 RD...Shades of the Vietnam Gun Trucks!!

A quad fifty would stop 'em.

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Posted by anymouse">anymouse 2007-04-24 16:42|| 2007-04-24 16:42|| Front Page Top

#14 the terrorist-supporting locals

This is one of the biggest problems confronting us, second only to the Iraqi government itself. We need to begin racking and stacking dead terrorist supporters by the droves. If it take bombing out entire civilian neighborhoods, then so be it. The time is now to begin instilling a deep and abiding fear in those who would betray us.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-04-24 16:44|| 2007-04-24 16:44|| Front Page Top

#15 Ah but Zenster that does not play into the 4th generation warfare meme in which the strong player has to operate by restrictive rules of engagement while the weak player gets to be a sub-human while getting applauded for his fierce will and tactical ingenuity.

As you say, they will overstep and then we will kill them in the numbers that will truly affect their attitudes.

Posted by remoteman 2007-04-24 18:53|| 2007-04-24 18:53|| Front Page Top

#16 remote...you are correct. There are plenty of looney-tunes in the islamist movement that are on a mission from god. The combination of planning and opportunity will eventually come together in the US. The gloves will come off. Unless reidpelosimurtha are in charge...and then there will be a candle light vigil...congressional hearings to identify the guilty former-Republicans-in-charge...and a tsunami of self-flagellating guilt for inciting the islamist to attack.

Posted by anymouse">anymouse 2007-04-24 19:54|| 2007-04-24 19:54|| Front Page Top

#17 But anymouse, what happens when that candle light vigil gets exploded with a radialogical bomb? Then the folks are going to want to drag reidpolosimurtha out into the street and give them what for.

This is all so depressing. Whatever happened to loyal opposition?

Posted by remoteman 2007-04-24 20:30|| 2007-04-24 20:30|| Front Page Top

#18 But anymouse, what happens when that candle light vigil gets exploded with a radialogical bomb? Then the folks are going to want to drag reidpolosimurtha out into the street and give them what for.

This is all so depressing. Whatever happened to loyal opposition?

Posted by remoteman 2007-04-24 20:31|| 2007-04-24 20:31|| Front Page Top

#19 Whatever happened to loyal opposition?

Evidently, it managed to commit high treason with nary a peep out of the American public.

As you say, they will overstep and then we will kill them in the numbers that will truly affect their attitudes.

I still remain astonished at how Islam considers itself so far from the edge when, in actuallity, it teeters on the very brink of oblivion. So far as I can tell, killing enough Muslims to finally change their mode of thought would be a kindness in that they might finally withdraw from the precipitous brink they tremble upon.

These morons simply do not comprehend the potential wrath and devastation that they face as Islam continues its vile plots against the West. A decisive demonstration is sorely needed. It alone might serve to avert the eventual terrorist nuclear attack upon American soil.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-04-24 20:46|| 2007-04-24 20:46|| Front Page Top

#20 RD - as a Deadhead (aka a Grateful Dead fan), I resent that equivalence. :-)

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-04-24 21:38|| 2007-04-24 21:38|| Front Page Top

#21
RD - as a Deadhead (aka a Grateful Dead fan), I resent that equivalence. :-)

LOL, I noticed that too Frank; we'll both have to blame Technorati because they sent the Video Links who hosted the Splodeydope video.

That "dead head" was blown off by a suicide vest.

Unless Lucifer likes listening to the Grateful Dead, the stupid-bastard-head in the video will never again listen to that good Dead music.

Inshalla ;-)

Posted by RD">RD 2007-04-24 22:44|| 2007-04-24 22:44|| Front Page Top

#22 the stupid-bastard-head in the video will never again listen to that good Dead music.

But he'll still have Blues for Allah.

[rimshot]

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-04-24 22:49|| 2007-04-24 22:49|| Front Page Top

#23 or "Friend of the devil"

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-04-24 22:58|| 2007-04-24 22:58|| Front Page Top

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