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2007-02-07 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Olmert: Iran can be stopped without resorting to violence

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Posted by Fred 2007-02-07 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11131 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 One word: Geebus!

Okay 5 more: Olmert is a gutless schmuck.

Posted by twobyfour 2007-02-07 02:14|| 2007-02-07 02:14|| Front Page Top

#2 With a lot of IFs, you can put Paris in a bottle, and you can stop Iran too.

Will this be sufficient to send Olmert to a mental asylum? after allowing HizbAllah to survive in Lebanon, he will allow Iran to develop nukes and USE them against Israel.

The choice Israel faces is pretty clear, and the cost of stopping Iran cannot be assessed as too high. Are 10,000 soldiers worth saving Israel? 100,000? I say yes, if that's what it takes. But the outcome must be the total destruction of Iran. And the certainty for any other anti-Semite on Earth that they cannot take over a country and run it against Israel without consequences.

"Never again" has to mean total, ruthless destruction to anyone who threatens Israel. Next to that, I don't care about Global Warming fascists.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2007-02-07 02:17|| 2007-02-07 02:17|| Front Page Top

#3 I don't remember, is it my turn to say "And monkeys shooting bottle rockets might fly out of my butt?"

It's sort of like OPEC. Someone's always cheating. That's all it takes. If the international community truly stands shoulder to shoulder [including a bunch of scared muslim countries who always hedge their bets] in a meaningful way I'll eat my hat.

Posted by gorb 2007-02-07 02:46|| 2007-02-07 02:46|| Front Page Top

#4 Israel cant totally destroy Iran without using dozens of nukes. Watch what happens to Israels trade, etc when that happens.

Israel knocked out Iraqs reactor in '81, and the Iraqis started over again. All Israel can do is delay an Iranian bomb, and its not clear that they can even do that without nuking Iran. Given that its possible no one else will do that for them, they have to push whats possible.

And yeah, the limited sanctions already in place are having an effect - prices rising in Teheran, stock market falling. A real concerted effort (and that means the countries Olmert mentioned - the muslims just arent important enough) could well seal the fate of the regime.

Olmert may have f**ked up on Lebanon, but on this hes playing his hand as well as it can be played.

Posted by liberalhawk 2007-02-07 10:27|| 2007-02-07 10:27|| Front Page Top

#5 *cough*

Posted by wxjames 2007-02-07 10:31|| 2007-02-07 10:31|| Front Page Top

#6 Anyone who openly puts his life and the survival of his nation in the hands of Russia, China, AND Europe has a death wish that these entities will busily entertain.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2007-02-07 10:37|| 2007-02-07 10:37|| Front Page Top

#7 "If the international community joins forces and applies the necessary restrictive measures on the economy of Iran, it will force Iran to reconsider its position," said Olmert. If Europe, the US, China and Russia join forces, he continued, "they can create such damage to the Iranian economy that it will force them to reconsider."

And if Olmert thinks that will actually happen, the boys in the white coats, and a straightjacket with his name on it are approaching...

Posted by BigEd 2007-02-07 11:00|| 2007-02-07 11:00|| Front Page Top

#8 No nation wants to put its existence in the hands of any other nation. Israel, being a small nation, has little choice.

Posted by liberalhawk 2007-02-07 11:00|| 2007-02-07 11:00|| Front Page Top

#9 lh, you are ignoring key words: openly plus Russia, China, and Europe.

You're arguing that people should put their survival in the hands of gangs of criminals -- instead of having recourse to self-defense, the police, or the army. Think about it.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2007-02-07 11:21|| 2007-02-07 11:21|| Front Page Top

#10 And, that "Olmert: Hezbollah can be stopped without resorting to violence" headline worked soooo well last summer, didn't it, Mr. P.M.?

The mind boggles. We are truly doomed (as the West) if Israel refuses to protect itself there in the middle of the hornet's nest.

Posted by BA 2007-02-07 11:29|| 2007-02-07 11:29|| Front Page Top

#11 Israel is certainly using its army, police, etc.

Not to much they can do about Iran though. Israelis arent supermen, im afraid.

You said something about 100,000 soldiers.

That says to me you think the IDF can occupy Iran. Is that what you intended? The IDF was stretched occupying Gaza and the West Bank - you expect the IDF to occupy a country of what, 75 million people?

Posted by liberalhawk 2007-02-07 11:41|| 2007-02-07 11:41|| Front Page Top

#12 "lh, you are ignoring key words: openly plus Russia, China, and Europe."

Need I remind you that in the 1950s UK and France sold arms to Israel in large quantities, while the US did not? That UK and France joined Israel against Egypt, while the US pressured for withdrawl from Sinai, resulting in future wars? You may believe that Europe is uniquely eevil, and the US perfectly reliable as an ally, but I dont think thats the view in Israel. No country is a perfectly reliable ally - and many countries can help.

Israel has to deal with strategic realities, not with right wing fantasies about teh EEVIL euros. What they DO have to do is apply what pressure they can for EU, China and Russia to apply sanctions to Iran. So far that has gone further than many on right AND left ever thought it would.

Posted by liberalhawk 2007-02-07 11:46|| 2007-02-07 11:46|| Front Page Top

#13 Lets edit a bit

"There is no need for military action to stop Iran from moving forward with its nuclear program,If the international community joins forces and applies the necessary restrictive measures on the economy of Iran, "

IE EITHER support sanctions, or take the chance that either the US or Israel or BOTH will take military action, with all the negative consequences the Euros and others fear. IE its blackmailing them, not appeasing them.

Posted by liberalhawk 2007-02-07 11:48|| 2007-02-07 11:48|| Front Page Top

#14 Memo to the Israel: Olmert couldn't lead a squad of drunk Marines to a whorehouse in Tijuana. Why is he leading you?

Posted by anymouse">anymouse 2007-02-07 12:13|| 2007-02-07 12:13|| Front Page Top

#15 anymouse: on THAT mission, no Marine would require any leading......

Posted by USN, Ret. 2007-02-07 14:40|| 2007-02-07 14:40|| Front Page Top

#16 no Marine would require any leading......

Olmert can't lead anyone like that, because his family jewels are only 1/4 the size of those of the folks he'd be leading, if even that....

Posted by BigEd 2007-02-07 16:40|| 2007-02-07 16:40|| Front Page Top

#17 I'm with liberalhawk on this one. Olmert is right in that IF the other Nations would unite and not cheat Iran could be stopped. That'll happen when Donkeys fly.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2007-02-07 17:22|| 2007-02-07 17:22|| Front Page Top

#18 This little ditty came into my head last night while I was reading a book:

Bomb, bomb, bomb; bomb bomb Iran,
Bomb, bomb, bomb; bomb bomb Iran,
Bombing and a booming,
banging and a breaking,
bomb Iran.

Sung to the Beach Boys' tune, Barbara-ann

It doesn't matter who does it, as long as it accomplishes three things: damaging their nuclear infrastructure (including support and personnel), breaking Iran's military capability, and destroying its harbors. Not only will their nuclear capability be put back a decade or more, but the destruction of their import/export infrastructure will cause a total internal collapse that will end the reign of the mullahs. Of course, a little judicious bombing of Qom would help...

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2007-02-07 17:41|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2007-02-07 17:41|| Front Page Top

#19 I got this nasty hunch that Israel is gonna be required to take a punch to maintain the purity of arms. Silly, dangerous and maybe futile.

Posted by Shipman 2007-02-07 18:07|| 2007-02-07 18:07|| Front Page Top

#20 Just because we don't have a world corresponding to taquia in Hebrew...

Posted by gromgoru 2007-02-07 21:02|| 2007-02-07 21:02|| Front Page Top

#21 That's Jan & Dean, OP. Even on the Party album, Torrence (against contract) sang lead. You can hear "Thank you, Dean."

Iran can be stopped without violence, but that's not the way to bet.

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