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2007-01-19 Home Front: Culture Wars
The brats will run the place soon: California looks to ban parental spanking
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Posted by BA 2007-01-19 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11130 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 And never, ever, grab a child who is running into traffic. That's assault, or kidnapping, or something foul.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2007-01-19 00:26||   2007-01-19 00:26|| Front Page Top

#2 For the record, she does not have children and says she was not slapped as a child. But she does have a cat named Snoop, which her veterinarian told her never to hit.

Crazy Cat Women!

I think there should be limits to spanking a child. If they want to put a law on it, atleast define what's appropriate use, not totally try to ban it all, because a good spanking works.
Posted by Spomort Greling4204 2007-01-19 01:44||   2007-01-19 01:44|| Front Page Top

#3 The brats will run the place soon:

I thought they already did.
Posted by Thotle Hupavitch5406 2007-01-19 05:05||   2007-01-19 05:05|| Front Page Top

#4 The problem is, just because there is a lawful question does not necessarily mean there is a legal problem. You should be able to correct a child. If you can't do that, how do you expect him to learn dicipline, or levels of thought associated with bad behavior?
Posted by newc">newc  2007-01-19 05:21||   2007-01-19 05:21|| Front Page Top

#5 I see her plan. Its not about the children, its about feline abuse. I believe the cat has been talking to her and is using her and this issue to outlaw spanking of kittens. Yes, its clear to me know. My dog warned me about the cats but I didn't believe him until now. Next the cats will be demanding government to supply warm laps for every cat, small rodents to play with and disembowel, catnip, dog reeducation (death) camps. Its just the beginning people. We must resist.
Posted by BrerRabbit 2007-01-19 05:48||   2007-01-19 05:48|| Front Page Top

#6 [channeling JOE]

CALIPHORNIA BANS BRAT SPANKING and GALACTIC STORM TROOPERS ala the original STAR WARS TRILOGY BIG BOOBS = "CLINTONIAN WET DREAM"__ Bwahahahahahahahaha COMMUNIST FASCIST AMERICA = SSSSSSHHHHHHHHH iff CaliPHornia telling Janet Jackson her nipples are now registered enemies of the Amerikan state!

[/channeling JOE] »:-)
Posted by Jimmah and Madame Halfbright">Jimmah and Madame Halfbright  2007-01-19 07:16||   2007-01-19 07:16|| Front Page Top

#7 Ol' Sally the Crazy Cat Woman needs someone to explain that this kind of crap is already (or should be) covered by child abuse laws currently on the books. And correct me if I'm wrong, but that would be prosecuted as a felony if going by other states' statutes is any guide.

So, is she out to ban spanking, or lessen the penalty for some abuse cases (and yes, spanking or hitting an infant to me is abuse) to a misdemeanor?
Posted by Swamp Blondie 2007-01-19 07:31|| http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]">[ http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]  2007-01-19 07:31|| Front Page Top

#8 From her website...

Sally’s legislative priorities include increasing educational and economic opportunity, improving public health, protecting the environment, and increasing social justice. She is well-known for authoring laws to increase California’s minimum wage, make human trafficking a crime, reduce air pollution, protect vulnerable seniors and protect the rights of the developmentally disabled. Sally’s legislation has included a number of bills that were ‘first of their kind’ in the nation. These bills deal with subjects as diverse as women’s healthcare and victims’ rights.

Sally represents the 22nd District, considered the ‘Heart of Silicon Valley,’ where she lives with her husband David. They are proud to be active in neighborhood and community activities, enjoy hiking and windsurfing and take seriously their role as pet guardians for a politically astute black-and-white cat.

Oh, yeah, she's definitely got the credentials...
Posted by tu3031 2007-01-19 09:09||   2007-01-19 09:09|| Front Page Top

#9 ya can't make this shit it up tu3031!

Caliphornians: We're all living in a Giant Booby Hatch and Dooomed.. pass the Prozac please!
Posted by RD 2007-01-19 09:16||   2007-01-19 09:16|| Front Page Top

#10 I never hit the kid.

I use one o' them electric doggie training collars with a remote...
Posted by mojo">mojo  2007-01-19 10:35||   2007-01-19 10:35|| Front Page Top

#11 Brings to mind this little tidbit we saw the other day:

"Scotland faces 'global disgrace' for Executive failure to ban smacking"

More Tranzi nonsense from the California State Legislature.
Posted by Mullah Richard 2007-01-19 10:43||   2007-01-19 10:43|| Front Page Top

#12 This is why WE need election district reform in California. If these yahoos had to compete for their jobs they wouldn't even attempt to pass stupid, mindless, and over-reaching laws like this. Spanking kids when they are younger precludes having to put them in jail or prison when they get older. Before you whine my LLL Mo0nb@+ friends I mean spanking not abusing, parent should know the difference. Ask ANY successful person about what happened if they misbehaved and you will get a lesson on corporal punishment. I particularly like the stories comedians use about their childhood. Bill Cosby’s first two albums were almost all stories about how he was punished by his Farther and Mother. Anyone watch “Everybody hates Chris”? How about Eddie Murphy’s stand-up routine where he demonstrates his mother’s ability to launch a shoe from across the room and hit a moving target (him). Do you think Arnold was spanked as a child? How about George Bush? Condi Rice? However I distinctly remember Jihad Johnny Walkers mom proclaiming that she never spanked or punished her son.
Posted by Cyber Sarge 2007-01-19 11:21||   2007-01-19 11:21|| Front Page Top

#13 says she was not slapped as a child

Maybe that explains it.

Seriously, with all the ballot propositions we have to vote on every election, I'm thinking we could do without the state legislature altogether. They really are worse than worthless.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-01-19 11:46||   2007-01-19 11:46|| Front Page Top

#14 ``I think it's pretty hard to argue you need to beat a child 3 years old or younger,'' Lieber said. ``Is it OK to whip a 1-year-old or a six-month-old or a newborn?''
No, Ms. Lieber, but it's just fine to rip up a fetis with a coat hanger.
Posted by wxjames 2007-01-19 11:55||   2007-01-19 11:55|| Front Page Top

#15 Would apply to 3 years and younger. It's a slippery slope.

I agree with this guy that 18 months is reasonable:

Experts in child psychology disagree whether spanking is a legitimate or effective way for parents to discipline their children. Professor Robert Larzelere, who has studied child discipline for 30 years, said his research shows spanking is fine, as long as it's used sparingly and doesn't escalate to abuse.

``If it's used in a limited way,'' the Oklahoma State University professor said, ``it can be more effective than almost any other type of punishment.'' He added that children 18 months old or younger shouldn't be spanked at all, because they can't understand why it's happening.

As for Lieber's proposal, the professor said: ``I think this proposal is not just a step too far, it's a leap too far. At least from a scientific perspective there really isn't any research to support the idea that this would make things better for children.''
Posted by  KBK 2007-01-19 13:02||   2007-01-19 13:02|| Front Page Top

#16 Ouch, wxjames, that's hitting 'em where it hurts! But, you see, morality has nothing to do with it. It's all about the moonbats getting control.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-01-19 13:32||   2007-01-19 13:32|| Front Page Top

#17 If she succeeds, California would become the first state in the nation to explicitly ban parents from smacking their kids.

And it's worked so well for Sweden. Apparently Swedes (especially on vacation) have a reputation in the rest of Europe as obnoxious drunken louts.

Assemblywoman Sally Lieber, D-Mountain View

And to think I turned down a job-relocation offer to go out to Mountain View.

/Of course, since I'm in Mass, how much better off am I, really?

Posted by xbalanke 2007-01-19 14:22||   2007-01-19 14:22|| Front Page Top

#18 It is exactly this sort of crap that could lose us the Long War.
Posted by Excalibur 2007-01-19 14:36||   2007-01-19 14:36|| Front Page Top

#19 xbalanke, same looneys with earthquakes, no snow, or legal clam chowder.
Posted by Cyber Sarge 2007-01-19 16:23||   2007-01-19 16:23|| Front Page Top

#20 Wouldn't the Crazy Cat Woman prefer that the criminal charges for this, rather than a misdemeanor, be a feliney????
Posted by USN, ret. 2007-01-19 23:31||   2007-01-19 23:31|| Front Page Top

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