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2006-12-28 Arabia

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Posted by .com 2006-12-28 04:41|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Idiots. If Muslims were allowed to think independently, they would be able to understand that Mohammad (pig crap be upon him) concocted his hearsay visitations from some Angel he heard about from Nestorian traders. The entire Koran brain vomit was calculated to put loot in Mohammad's pockets and multiple wives (13 plus 9 known concubines) in his bed.

Mohammad was a pig and a pubescent girl lover to boot. His followers are piglets, prone to the same voracious plundering and terror of the founding beast of Mecca.

Now I am really angry. N-n-n-n-n-u-u-u-k-k-k-k-e-e-e-e M-m-m__________________

Posted by Sneaze Shaiting3550 2006-12-28 05:54|| 2006-12-28 05:54|| Front Page Top

#2 Lol. The Sinktrap Event Horizon. ;-)

Posted by .com 2006-12-28 06:04|| 2006-12-28 06:04|| Front Page Top

#3 Hell of a damn line in that picture, must have pretty fair BBQ.

Posted by Shipman 2006-12-28 06:07|| 2006-12-28 06:07|| Front Page Top

#4 Any bets on how many are crushed to death this year?

Posted by pihkalbadger 2006-12-28 07:36|| 2006-12-28 07:36|| Front Page Top

#5 The more crushed the merrier!

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2006-12-28 07:44|| 2006-12-28 07:44|| Front Page Top

#6 Somewhere, within that 1.6 are some ex-Somali jihadi

Posted by john">john 2006-12-28 07:51|| http://john-smokegetsinmyeyes.blogspot.com/]">[http://john-smokegetsinmyeyes.blogspot.com/] 2006-12-28 07:51|| Front Page Top

#7 I think of the Hajj as a massively bigger version of the Hong Kong elevator that spread SARS across the globe, when it comes to Bird Flu.

Maybe not this year.

Posted by phil_b 2006-12-28 07:52|| 2006-12-28 07:52|| Front Page Top

#8 Looks like big crowds at the Apple store. Must've been a lotta gift cards received this Xmas...

Posted by tu3031 2006-12-28 08:18|| 2006-12-28 08:18|| Front Page Top

#9 What is the over/under for stampede deaths again?

Posted by Spot">Spot 2006-12-28 08:26|| 2006-12-28 08:26|| Front Page Top

#10 Is that a swimming pool on the top of the big rock?

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2006-12-28 08:40|| 2006-12-28 08:40|| Front Page Top

#11 Pardon Me, is this the line for the new Playstation?

Posted by Jackal">Jackal 2006-12-28 08:50|| http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2006-12-28 08:50|| Front Page Top

#12 Lets see how high they can get the body count this year ..

I reckon we will be looking at a final crushing total of 1757 , anyone care to wager ?

Posted by MacNails 2006-12-28 08:52|| 2006-12-28 08:52|| Front Page Top

#13 Hmm, I think the Iranians and Somalis will be extra-specially Islamic this year, with lots of fist-raising and Allahu-ackbaring, so I think we'll have a high crushee count this year. I estimate 2150 pancakes before the hajj is over this year.

Posted by Jonathan">Jonathan 2006-12-28 09:34|| 2006-12-28 09:34|| Front Page Top

#14 Good time to drop a nuke.LOL>

Posted by Ebboluque Omogum5153 2006-12-28 11:15|| 2006-12-28 11:15|| Front Page Top

#15 MSM says 2-3 million of these useless assturds gathered in one locale. If Bush wants to gain ground, an airblast a couple thousand feet above would be ideal. No statements. No comments.

Posted by SpecOp35 2006-12-28 12:09|| 2006-12-28 12:09|| Front Page Top

#16 #7 has my vote.

Posted by gromgoru 2006-12-28 12:13|| 2006-12-28 12:13|| Front Page Top

#17 So how much polonium dust is around the Kaaba?

Posted by 3dc 2006-12-28 14:21|| 2006-12-28 14:21|| Front Page Top

#18 The Baron over at Gates of Vienna has some thoughts on nuking Mecca. It's a piece worth your time and some thought.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2006-12-28 14:25|| 2006-12-28 14:25|| Front Page Top

#19 Magical Thinking is widespread. The Baron being a case in point with this post.

Posted by .com 2006-12-28 14:28|| 2006-12-28 14:28|| Front Page Top

#20 "So how come we do this every year and they still only have this one big-ass portapotty?

Posted by USN, Ret. 2006-12-28 14:28|| 2006-12-28 14:28|| Front Page Top

#21 Wow. For once, thanks BBC! This will make things much easier...

2004: 251 pilgrims are trampled to death in a 27-minute stampede during the stoning ritual in Mina. Saudi officials said many of the victims had not been authorised to participate in the ceremony, after new procedures were introduced following previous stampedes.

2003: 14 people are crushed to death when pilgrims returning from the stoning ritual run into pilgrims coming the other way.

2001: 35 pilgrims are killed when a huge crowd surges towards one of the three giant pillars representing the devil.

1998: 118 pilgrims are trampled to death after panic erupts when several people fall off an overpass during the stoning.

1997: At least 340 pilgrims are killed and 1,500 injured when fire fuelled by high winds sweeps through a tent city in Mina.

1994: 270 pilgrims die in a stampede during the stoning ritual.

1990: 1,426 pilgrims, mainly Asian, die in a stampede in an overcrowded tunnel leading to holy sites.

1987: 402 people, including 275 Iranians (according to Saudi figures), die when security forces break up an anti-US demonstration by Iranian pilgrims.

We won't count the fire, or that...ummmmmmmm... little Iranian thing, so its

251+14+35+118+270+1426=2114
2114/6=352

Over and Under:352
Place your bets...

Posted by tu3031 2006-12-28 14:43|| 2006-12-28 14:43|| Front Page Top

#22

Posted by gromky 2006-12-28 15:21|| 2006-12-28 15:21|| Front Page Top

#23 Rofl, grom. Instant classic, lol.

Posted by .com 2006-12-28 15:23|| 2006-12-28 15:23|| Front Page Top

#24 I dont have an answer, but I would challenge the readers of this blog to consider whether there are any other ways to break the knot ones that dont actually involve the deaths of tens of thousands and a nuclear holocaust in the Middle East.

I'll risk moderator wrath and repost what I put up on Tuesday. Please note how the Baron dismisses a nuclear attack upon Mecca. I will maintain that such an attack must be held in reserve as massive retaliation for any sort of nuclear terrorist atrocity, but initial use of atomic weapons for this purpose is exceptionally counterproductive.

Here we have 1.6 MILLION people gathered. Projections call for some 3 MILLION people to attend. While it represents only 10%-20% of this globe's Muslim population, here is one of the few ways of impacting a sufficient number of Islam's followers, all at once.

Islam's life needs to be made extremely unpleasant if it is ever to see the wisdom of changing its ways. Launching military attacks against all centers of Islam without massive multinational support is not viable. Just as Islam uses asymmetrical force against us, we must begin considering what avenues there are to apply massive leverage against Islam.

To wit: (From last Tuesday)

And if just those three million Muslims alone found out they were not allowed to make that pilgrimage due to terrorism, do you think it could be arranged for a few jihadist imams to receive some negative feedback about it?

Because this may well be what it takes. Closing the Islamic shrines by military force is one of the few real fundamental levers that can be held against Islam as a whole. Arguments about collective punishment do not apply. Existing Islamic doctrine is predicated upon collective punishment of the kufir and is therefore not entitled to protest about retaliation in kind.

One way or the other, the negative consequences of opposing Islamic reform must be impressed upon around ONE BILLION Muslims before the ummah will perceive any significant pressure. Militarily interdicting and proscribing the Haj may well represent one of the few ways to collectively punish a sufficiently large portion of Islam for its refusal to reform in a way that will filter up to the jihadist clergy with the necessary impact.

I know it seems almost as likely that such a policy might create even more terrorism. The point still remains that more terrorists are being made every day, regardless. Islamism is already spreading, giving Muslims extra rallying points really does not matter, as the Koran provides an endless supply of them anyway.

If action continues to be delayed, it is almost guaranteed that many more than just three million Muslims will perceive some sort of real negative impact involving far more suffering than just a missed Haj. The number could expand by hundreds of that amount. In its obsession with death, Islam steadfastly ignores this ominous prospect, very much to its extreme danger.

One way or the other, we are going to need to reach out and touch almost a billion Muslims. How would you propose we do it? Remember, time is of the essence. America must not experience even another single 9-11 type atrocity. We need a library of genuine threats involving overwhelming consequences in order to deal with present day Islam. Holding the shrines hostage may be one of them. Far more moral to do that and preserve such priceless heritage than lamentably obliterate them with nuclear bombs. Suddenly the geographical hostage alternative looks a whole lot more humane.

Last but not least, the Haj is Disneyland meets Jonestown. They come for the thrill and end up with their minds poisoned by Wahabbism. The Haj is one vast programming school for the Islamic Sharia death meme. Ending or regulating it prunes a huge branch from terrorism's indoctrination process.

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Soon enough we are going to need some real-world solutions in dealing with Islam. joking about mega-tramplings and over-unders is all well and fine, but what are the real measures that can be taken? I don't claim that my shrine hostage scenario is the best or even totally feasible. I DO maintain that we are going to have to come up with something along these lines and of this scale if there is to be any hope for peacefully coercing Islam into reformation.

Neglecting any effort to find such alternative approaches almost guarantees the West resorting to nuclear annihilation. Unreformed Islam's continued existence points to this same exact outcome as well. Repugnant as it may be, if we do not wish to bear the moral burden of having snuffed between 5%-10% of this world's population, we will need to find some other forms of resolution. What are they? Either we find them or resign ourselves to merely launching ICBMs by the dozens when the tipping point is reached.

The tipping point is coming soon. A lot sooner than most people think. I firmly believe that the West possesses enough fine minds whereby we can arrive at some sort of leveraged solutions to this rather intractable problem.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-12-28 16:10|| 2006-12-28 16:10|| Front Page Top

#25 The link for that thread is here. Sheesh Redux.

Posted by .com 2006-12-28 16:15|| 2006-12-28 16:15|| Front Page Top

#26 "Here we have 1.6 MILLION people gathered. Projections call for some 3 MILLION people to attend. While it represents only 10%-20% of this globe's Muslim population,"

Huh? Your percentages are off by a factor of a hundred. Do the math.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-12-28 16:26|| 2006-12-28 16:26|| Front Page Top

#27 I feel rather strongly that Rantburg's arsenal of well-educated and clever minds can come with some truly innovative solutions. I'd love to see them and I think others here would really benefit from open discussion of the subject.

Most important of all is that we cut through the crap and begin identifying what really needs to be done. All of us should carry around a solid set of talking points on how to solve this problem. It will better enable us to begin persuading the vast public we encounter every day as to what is going to be required. I have made good use of talking points derived from Rantburg in swaying the opinions of those around me. I want all of us to be armed with these philosophical weapons.

Over the holidays, I persoanlly came to the conclusion that we may need to simply return the last 50 years' worth of Muslim immigrants back to their nations of origin and Qua'rntine the entire Middle East. Allow no outgoing movement or change in borders. Attempts to build nuclear weapons would be interdicted but much of everything else would center on simply letting these idiots go about killing each other in the largest possible numbers.

We can joke about this stuff all we want, but some hard and fast decisions are staring us in the face. I'd really enjoy seeing what we can come up with.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-12-28 16:30|| 2006-12-28 16:30|| Front Page Top

#28 Your percentages are off by a factor of a hundred. Do the math.

Thank you for the correction. The point does remain that somehow affecting those who participate in the Haj represents one of the few ways to non-violently impact a large number of Muslims. How else can we reach MILLIONS of Muslims all at once? Hijacking al-Jazeera's broadcast frequencies is one of the only other ways.

You, especially, David D. know what I am talking about. Posting your list of options would be rather appropriate at this time. We're currently at number seven on your list of eleven. Numbers 8-11 get pretty nasty. Are there any other alternatives and what are they? That is my question.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-12-28 16:46|| 2006-12-28 16:46|| Front Page Top

#29 The real problem is oil dependence and the massive sums that flow to groups that do nothing to earn the money.

The world will get off it's oil dependence at some point, almost certainly as a result of a disruptive event of some kind. I think a Yugoslav style dismemberment of Iran is the most likely disruptive event (with spillover to neighbouring states).

The Baron is right, nuking Mecca is just magical thinking.

Posted by phil_b 2006-12-28 16:52|| 2006-12-28 16:52|| Front Page Top

#30 "I'll risk moderator wrath and repost what I put up on Tuesday.

[...]

To wit: (From last Tuesday)"

[432-word essay snipped]

Zenster, please don't do that. Use a link instead.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-12-28 16:54|| 2006-12-28 16:54|| Front Page Top

#31 No problem. As you can probably tell, I'm just a little concerned that so much time is spent making fun of Islam, which is admittedly a very large target, while we do not as often sort out just how to go about dealing with it in a realistic fashion.

I try to do my part here in arguing against first use of nuclear weapons in the Middle East. If only to solely preserve the badly needed moral authority America is going to need if and when the time for nuclear retaliation ever comes.

Saddest of all is how Islam thrusts their own survival into our hands, trusting upon weaponizing our finest sentiments against us and disarming our will to survive. This is why I am trying to find some way of placing the ball in Islam's court so that it must begin to take measures towards reform. We CANNOT reform Islam, it must do so itself or die. Absolutely nothing is pointing towards reform right now. If I wasn't so fed up with all things Islamic I'd say it was pretty pathetic. Instead, I just get this especially grim feeling about the potential for a Muslim holocaust.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-12-28 17:17|| 2006-12-28 17:17|| Front Page Top

#32 IMNSHO - Ridicule is something Islam and its' humorless minions are most afraid of, and one of the only things they've truly earned. Your "we MUST..." rants do little except get that particular load off your chest. Just saying....

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-12-28 17:30|| 2006-12-28 17:30|| Front Page Top

#33 Nuking Mecca is a ridiculous idea, not to say an evil one. Nuking the oil fields controlled by Islamists, now that's an idea that would work, and very quickly. Of course millions would starve in the ensuing world economic collapse, but that's a very small price to pay...

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2006-12-28 18:34|| 2006-12-28 18:34|| Front Page Top

#34 #24: I dont have an answer, but I would challenge the readers of this blog to consider whether there are any other ways to break the knot ones that dont actually involve the deaths of tens of thousands and a nuclear holocaust in the Middle East.

The solution is simple, send the shuttle to get a sizable rock from the nearest availible place, dispatch this rock on an impact trajectory to take out the Big Biack Rock.

Presto, the effects of a nuclear blast with NO radioactivity. (And no proof whatsoever that it was anything but natural)
Hint (Very Loudly)
ALLAH DOESN'T LIKE YOU,
ALLAH HAS TAKEN HIS REVENGE
Etc.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2006-12-28 18:55|| 2006-12-28 18:55|| Front Page Top

#35 Nuking Mecca is a ridiculous idea, not to say an evil one.

Really? 9-11 ring a bell? Was if evil to blow a couple of Axis cities off the map? No. It's called total war and the meteor worshipping sand people started it in 570 AD.

Let's be blunt, the only real answer is to completely outlaw Islam, qurans. Its call of conversion or death makes the cold war look pale by comparision. It worked for the British, the "Thugs" are gone, dead history. Put it another way, it's us or them and yes it's that simple. Time to wake up people and smell the burned bodies in New York, at the Pentagon and in the hole Flight 93 left.

Nuking Mecca may be a good starting point but don't forget Medina where the bastard Muhamhead is buried. The only thing really in Mecca is the Immam's brewery in the Kaaba where Allah's Swine Sprem beer made. Hand harvested by Saudi Princes. Look for the "Pagan Moon Goddess" on the label. The prefered drink of Mooslimbs everywhere. Distributed by CAIR and Keith Ellison followers in a Mosque near you.

Posted by Icerigger 2006-12-28 19:09|| 2006-12-28 19:09|| Front Page Top

#36 I would challenge the readers of this blog to consider whether there are any other ways to break the knot ones that dont actually involve the deaths of tens of thousands and a nuclear holocaust in the Middle East.

I say this without glee but with resignation and disgust. No population has confronted the Modern era with out massive upheaval and death, whether entry into the modern was successful or not.

This was certainly true of Europe. The Thirty Years War led to deaths of upwards of 20% of Europe's population. The indigenous populations of the New World did not fare well. WWII lead to deaths above 10% in the Soviet Union and near that in Japan and Germany.

I doubt Islam's confrontation with modernity will come at a cost less thousands of times more deaths than you specify. Particularly as it will also inevitably involve China and India in a cataclysm that will end up making the Second World War look like child's play.

Sorry, this will not end well and there is really little we can do about it except to minimize its impact upon us.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-12-28 20:16|| 2006-12-28 20:16|| Front Page Top

#37 The idea of nuking Mecca is like this one:

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2006-12-28 20:26|| 2006-12-28 20:26|| Front Page Top

#38 We are entitled and required by our children's welfare to do all that is required to save ourselves, our nation, our civilization. That said, because of who we are and what we believe in, we are also required to do no more than necessary to achieve that end. whether we have to kill 100 or 100 million, we should do the best we can to make that number as small, yet effective, as possible. None of us, nor our leaders, yet have that strategy and consequence figured, but to shake and bake them all is bboth unnecessary, and self-destructive. I would argue that Dresden, Hiroshima, Tokyo, et all were and are still, justified in light of teh allied casualties prevented. The same calculus should apply in the future. If it comes down to shake and bake, well then, I'm all for it, but if not, we diminish ourselves. My 2 cents...

Also....I don't think the Ethiopian practice of executing illegal combatants is wrong, and we should be doing it as well. On the spot, where info through interrogation is not to be obtained. After the interrogation, if info is available. No f*cking Jihadis left alive

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-12-28 20:32|| 2006-12-28 20:32|| Front Page Top

#39 typed fast - forgive the typos - mea culpa

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-12-28 20:34|| 2006-12-28 20:34|| Front Page Top

#40 I don't think the Ethiopian practice of executing illegal combatants is wrong, and we should be doing it as well.

I agree as far as HVT, but not the run of the mill Mo. It is much better to take prisoners than not. Compare war on the Western Front to that in the Pacific. Otherwise, you get soldiers who will fight to the death. Those kill more of our guys. Ultimately, I could go with whatever the commanders in the field want.

Where I think we make a real error is in letting concern over collateral damage stop us from taking effective military action. Too many civilians are going to die in this, one way or another. That's the prime target of the enemy now because they know it's a hot button. The sooner the civilians figure out it is better to be far from the hadjis rather than close to them, the better for us and the fewer civilians killed in the long run.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-12-28 20:44|| 2006-12-28 20:44|| Front Page Top

#41 letting concern over collateral damage stop us from taking effective military action

too true, NS, and ultimately resulting in more civilian dead than if we'd pounded early and often.

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-12-28 21:15|| 2006-12-28 21:15|| Front Page Top

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