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2006-12-26 Arabia

Saudis say 16 pilgrims hurt in Mecca hotel fire

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Posted by Seafarious 2006-12-26 00:00|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Good thing they weren't school girls or they'd have had to stay in the building while it burned, unless they were burka'd up and escorted by a male relation.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2006-12-26 00:41|| 2006-12-26 00:41|| Front Page Top

#2 Officials expect up to 3 million pilgrims to attend the haj

And if just those three million Muslims alone found out they were not allowed to make that pilgrimage due to terrorism, do you think it could be arranged for a few jihadist imams to receive some negative feedback about it?

Because this may well be what it takes. Closing the Islamic shrines by military force is one of the few real fundamental levers that can be held against Islam as a whole. Arguments about collective punishment do not apply. Existing Islamic doctrine is predicated upon collective punishment of the kufir and is therefore not entitled to protest about retaliation in kind.

One way or the other, the negative consequences of opposing Islamic reform must be impressed upon around ONE BILLION Muslims before the ummah will perceive any significant pressure. Militarily interdicting and proscribing the Haj may well represent one of the few ways to collectively punish a sufficiently large portion of Islam for its refusal to reform in a way that will filter up to the jihadist clergy with the necessary impact.

I know it seems almost as likely that such a policy might create even more terrorism. The point still remains that more terrorists are being made every day, regardless. Islamism is already spreading, giving Muslims extra rallying points really does not matter, as the Koran provides an endless supply of them anyway.

If action continues to be delayed, it is almost guaranteed that many more than just three million Muslims will perceive some sort of real negative impact involving far more suffering than just a missed Haj. The number could expand by hundreds of that amount. In its obsession with death, Islam steadfastly ignores this ominous prospect, very much to its extreme danger.

One way or the other, we are going to need to reach out and touch almost a billion Muslims. How would you propose we do it? Remember, time is of the essence. America must not experience even another single 9-11 type atrocity. We need a library of genuine threats involving overwhelming consequences in order to deal with present day Islam. Holding the shrines hostage may be one of them. Far more moral to do that and preserve such priceless heritage than lamentably obliterate them with nuclear bombs. Suddenly the geographical hostage alternative looks a whole lot more humane.

Last but not least, the Haj is Disneyland meets Jonestown. They come for the thrill and end up with their minds poisoned by Wahabbism. The Haj is one vast programming school for the Islamic Sharia death meme. Ending or regulating it prunes a huge branch from terrorism's indoctrination process.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-12-26 01:44|| 2006-12-26 01:44|| Front Page Top

#3 Good thing they weren't school girls or they'd have had to stay in the building while it burned, unless they were burka'd up and escorted by a male relation.

That's about when the Clue-Bat made contact with my noggin. I'm slow in many ways.

Posted by Shipman 2006-12-26 08:21|| 2006-12-26 08:21|| Front Page Top

#4 Cooking in the room, on the floor.

Posted by Chuck Simmins">Chuck Simmins 2006-12-26 09:04|| http://northshorejournal.org]">[http://northshorejournal.org] 2006-12-26 09:04|| Front Page Top

#5 I'm still looking for a stampede over/under.

Posted by tu3031 2006-12-26 09:07|| 2006-12-26 09:07|| Front Page Top

#6 Ditto. Haj stampedes far exceed the running of the bulls in Pamplona, Spain for their excitement and high body count.

Posted by Lancasters Over Dresden 2006-12-26 12:09|| http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com/HomePage.asp]">[http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com/HomePage.asp] 2006-12-26 12:09|| Front Page Top

#7 Those damn Jooooos !

Posted by wxjames 2006-12-26 12:19|| 2006-12-26 12:19|| Front Page Top

#8 (sound of sheep bleating)

Posted by mojo">mojo 2006-12-26 13:01|| 2006-12-26 13:01|| Front Page Top

#9 So if someone yells "LOOK! A JOOO!" in Mecca during the hajj, does the crowd run TOWARDS or AWAY from the supposed Jew?

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2006-12-26 16:37|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-12-26 16:37|| Front Page Top

#10 I don't know, but that will affect the over/under...

Posted by tu3031 2006-12-26 16:47|| 2006-12-26 16:47|| Front Page Top

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