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2006-11-13 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

In New Middle East, Tests for an Old Friendship

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Posted by tipper 2006-11-13 02:58|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Very interesting and fairly accurate observations.

It seems that if we finally reach the conclusion that president Bush cannot terminate the Nuclearization of Iran at the expense of an (imaginary IMHO) US-arab coalition, we may have to initiate some kind of attack on Iran, irrespective of the political and military price to the State of Israel.
I think that one very keen observation in the article is that the American people cannot really fully understand the deapth of the Israely fear of a "second holocust" (i.e a single nuclear device going off over Tel Aviv).
Even if someone succeeds in negotiating an agreement or an understanding with a nuclearized Iran, we all know how credible are arab or islamic promises or agreements.
While America will survive the nuclear devastation of New York or Chicago, Israel will not survive a nuked Tel Aviv.
Therefore, If Bush cannot or does not want to act decisively on the Iran, Israel will have to do so independently within the next couple of years, at the risk of going against American inteterests (or at least what the State Department BigWigs think is the American interests).
We will have to do it with a heavy heart but we will neverthless do it because it is necessary to our survival.

Posted by Elder of Zion 2006-11-13 06:28|| 2006-11-13 06:28|| Front Page Top

#2 Elder of Zion: I hope you realize how many of us pray for Israel to defend itself. It is a source of personal shame to me that Canada does not send arms, men and money to stand beside you. Israel may be all that stands between us and the coming darkness.

Posted by Excalibur 2006-11-13 11:25|| 2006-11-13 11:25|| Front Page Top

#3 Israel has a trump card in the US. That is, with its 200 or so nuclear weapons, Israel could obliterate most of the Moslem world. And yet their foolish enemy do not truly grasp this finality, and seek to challenge them. It is irrational.

However, the US sees the reason of what the Israelis threaten, and can see that they mean it, and can enforce it. An alternative horrifying to the US.

So to prevent this threat from becoming reality, the US must stand up and act conventionally against the irrational, as a ironic proxy for Israel.

But it is not involuntary, or in any way coerced. It truly is something that cannot be ignored by the US. And though Israel benefits, it is far from the only beneficiary.

But Israel, at the same time, is also very wrong in not creating circumstances that will eventually end this contention. It is like living in the same room as a violently mentally ill person. You must guarantee that they take their medicine and behave, or you have to kill them; or eventually they will kill you. There is no choice of "live and let live", or "you stay on your half of the room, and I'll stay on mine."

Those are agreements between the sane. They have no meaning when one of the parties is insane, or irrational.

So again, this is why I say the Israelis must confiscate, permanently, land, each and every time the Paleos commit acts of violence. And they must be crystal clear that this land will never, ever be returned. It not may be for Israeli use, but it shall never again be for Paleo use.

In this way, though it take another 50 years, either the Paleos will give up their violence, or they will be kicked out of the country.

Would that Iran could be dealt with so conclusively.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-11-13 13:07|| 2006-11-13 13:07|| Front Page Top

#4 The number of people who would be upset if Israel defended itself equal the number of people who listened to Air America and thought it was just great! That's not enough to float a radio station in any major city nationwide.

What changed? We lost the election by a small margin. Don't listen to the media or read Kos to find out what Americans think. This is a big country. We would be happy to see you pull a David.

Posted by anon 2006-11-13 18:24|| 2006-11-13 18:24|| Front Page Top

#5 oh, and one last thing you should know about our "lefties". You know how they always talk about how much the care(TM) about the soldiers and the poor and the hungry. Well, they don't. The proof of this is their demand to pull out of Iraq for political revenge. It is more important to them to gloat in victory than to worry about the the lives of millions of Iraqis. Many others just don't know, don't care, and haven't been paying attention.

They just want someone to wave their magic wand and make the bad man go away. If you do it, they will be shocked!, Shocked! But in the end, they really don't care unless it affects them personally.

Posted by anon 2006-11-13 18:35|| 2006-11-13 18:35|| Front Page Top

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