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2006-10-24 Iraq

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Posted by Bobby 2006-10-24 06:13|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Arabs. It doesn't matter. If you build it, they will come - and blow it up. Even if they had the sense not to self-fuck by blowing it up, they'd tear down the power lines and steal the copper - and complain about the outage.

Arab society, using symptoms as the defining criteria, runs on rumors and fantasies and sectarian hate and blood feuds and slights, whether real or imagined. Were it not for the ideology and Sharia Law of Islam, they would have disappeared from the world centuries ago.

Expecting anything but duplicity and blame and violence, whether fed by sectarian hate or romantic jihadi fantasy or the most amazing collection of misogynistic and misanthropic lies ever assembled under one tent, is for the dupes and symps of the MSM, the diplodink accommodating appeasers, and the Stalinist and Gaullist and ChiCom triangulating foreign policy wonks of the enemies of freedom.

Posted by .com 2006-10-24 08:52|| 2006-10-24 08:52|| Front Page Top

#2 I'd say Baghdad hasn't been deserving of power lately. Let the f*ckers build their IEDs in the dark. I'd keep the power off in Sadr City as a message

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-10-24 09:05|| 2006-10-24 09:05|| Front Page Top

#3 We'll know that Maliki & Co are semi-serious when they ban all motorized vehicular traffic and cell phones - permanently. These two modern conveniences appears to be essential for any significant level of killing to continue. They don't need them. Mo got along without them, so that should be good enough for these clowns, too.

Taking the ankle express to "war" and being reduced to shouting strike me as apropos to these "warriors".

Posted by .com 2006-10-24 09:14|| 2006-10-24 09:14|| Front Page Top

#4 If the power was on 24/7, the number of people stealing copper would gradually decline.

Posted by Bobby 2006-10-24 09:23|| 2006-10-24 09:23|| Front Page Top

#5 Heh, don't you know how to short out a live line? :-)

Posted by .com 2006-10-24 09:26|| 2006-10-24 09:26|| Front Page Top

#6 Arabs. It doesn't matter. If you build it, they will come - and blow it up. Even if they had the sense not to self-fuck by blowing it up, they'd tear down the power lines and steal the copper - and complain about the outage.

Thanks,.com. That is the most trenchant and incisive analysis of the ME that I have ever read. Made my day.

Posted by RWV 2006-10-24 10:27|| 2006-10-24 10:27|| Front Page Top

#7 If any of these worthless f**ks ever put in an honest workday, they wouldn't have so much energy to be up all night killing each other. Maybe some of their broken infrastructure would get fixed. And, if they worked all day fixing something, they wouldn't be so eager to let some numbskull blow it up at night. The best thing to do is abandon these worthless shits. Let them figure out how to take care of their sandpile. Maybe they'll get it righted by say 2310.

Posted by SpecOp35 2006-10-24 10:27|| 2006-10-24 10:27|| Front Page Top

#8 RWV - :-) Proof that one monkey typing long enough will finally... accidents do happen, lol.

Posted by .com 2006-10-24 10:54|| 2006-10-24 10:54|| Front Page Top

#9 Their parts must come from the real Prince of Darkness.

Posted by Shipman 2006-10-24 12:02|| 2006-10-24 12:02|| Front Page Top

#10 "We'll know that Maliki & Co are semi-serious when they ban all motorized vehicular traffic and cell phones - permanently"

damn. that'll show them that we came to improve their lives.

OTOH, Al Gore might like the ban motorized vehicles permanently part ;)

Posted by liberalhawk 2006-10-24 16:11|| 2006-10-24 16:11|| Front Page Top

#11 Lol - Oh yeah, they've surely proven they deserve that "improve your lives bit". What with the Unity Govt and the rejection of foreign influence and interference by both the Sunnis and the Shia - and the dismantling of the militias, woohoo, it's hard to say where to begin when praising the Iraqi Arabs.

Lol. Were it not for the Kurds, well...

Lesson learned.

Posted by .com 2006-10-24 16:23|| 2006-10-24 16:23|| Front Page Top

#12 Ok, it least youre consistent and make logical sense. If it werent for the Kurds, youd be for withdrawl, I take it.

As sympathetic with the Kurds as I am, I dont think we can maintain an indefinite occupation of the Rest of Iraq, with no hope for improvement in the lives of IRaqi arabs, just to help the Kurds. It costs us too much - in lives, in the use of force that could be used elsewhere, in money, in war weariness at home (that should be conserved for elsewhere) and in repuation abroad.

(note none of the above means I AGREE with you on what Iraqi arabs deserve - just that I dont care to rehash that now)

Posted by liberalhawk 2006-10-24 16:29|| 2006-10-24 16:29|| Front Page Top

#13 Lol - you take it wrong. I'm not for withdrawal.

Funny thing is, much of the speculation you and I could engage in would become moot with 2 actions: removal of the Mullahs and a long-overdue showdown with the Saudis.

Syria would go off-line rather quickly as a source of grief both in Iraq as well as Leb. They are so addicted to Mad Mullah Money they'd probably implode.

Both sides of the Arab sectarian bullshit that ails Iraq would suddenly be sponsorless - and dependent upon the successful economic development of the country, not their usual centuries-old blood feud. It would be interesting to see if they were finally capable of getting it - since the money flow for fighting would substantially dry up - or if they, the Iraqi Arabs of both flavors, are just too stupid to live.

Anyway, with those two de-funding actions, the entire M.E. equation could be altered forever and the myth of "stability", which only favors the asshat situation prevalent since it was carved up into the present mess, finally flushed.

Ah well. It would be interesting.

Posted by .com 2006-10-24 16:44|| 2006-10-24 16:44|| Front Page Top

#14 Personally, I think an attack on Iran is going to need boots on the ground, and so cant really be done while we're on Iraq (or till weve gone much farther in terms of expanding the army, which means years, which amounts to the same thing) I realize strategic views differ.

But, if you think that the violence would end with the end of the sponsors (I tend to think youre right there) then what does that say about the depth of the insurgency in Iraq? If the Shiites are really dead set against us, than Id think they would be hell to deal with, even without the shaped charges and other goodies the Sadrists get from Iran. If the Sadrist insurgency melts away without outside assistance, Id say that suggests that most ordinary in the street Shiites arent so far gone, that maybe the lions share of them ARE interested in the new Iraq that the admin talks about. In which case Im not sure they arent deserving of things improving.

Posted by liberalhawk 2006-10-24 17:16|| 2006-10-24 17:16|| Front Page Top

#15 "the dismantling of the militias, woohoo, it's hard to say where to begin when praising the Iraqi Arab"

Youre an Iraqi Shiite Arab living in Baghdad. Every day Al Qaeeda types come to kill your neighbors, torture your neighbors, blow up your houses of worship, your markets, etc. A bunch of guys who are like you, some of whom you know, who follow a guy who defied the old regime, say theyre going to protect your neighborhood, and maybe go after the AQ types in their own areas. But some suit from the govt, whose forces have not managed to protect you, and his foreign pals, whos forces have also not managed to protect you (and for all you know are going to be gone in a year anyway) tell you that you should want these friendly protectors disarmed, cause, I dunno, "Guns kill" or something like that?

What would you say? Id bet it would a variant on "f*** you". We're not the only country, or the only civ, with "Jacksonians"

Posted by liberalhawk 2006-10-24 17:22|| 2006-10-24 17:22|| Front Page Top

#16 Personally, I think an attack on Iran is going to need boots on the ground, and so cant really be done while we're on Iraq (or till weve gone much farther in terms of expanding the army, which means years, which amounts to the same thing)

Hold on. You think we've taught the Iraqis, who fought the Iranians to a standstill with Soviet equipment and tactics, nothing? You don't think U. S. air, naval and intel support might make a teeny difference? You don't think an action in Iran would be a whole lot more fun to watch if the Iraqis did the bootwork while we did the rest? No, I say if Iran supplied Iraq with the tiniest causus belli, we could have a lot of fun now. If there were any Jacksonian Iraqis.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-10-24 17:47|| 2006-10-24 17:47|| Front Page Top

#17 I'm sorry, lh, I've sworn off this stuff.

How 'bout them boobs, eh?

Lol.

Posted by .com 2006-10-24 17:54|| 2006-10-24 17:54|| Front Page Top

#18 I'm sorry, lh, I've sworn off this stuff.

Good for you.
I've lost 30 pounds and have a new cheerful outlook on life. I can eat anything I want, as long as I don't cook it.

LOL!
We're in deep....
Say Doooooooooom!

Posted by Shipman 2006-10-24 19:09|| 2006-10-24 19:09|| Front Page Top

#19 for .com and y'all of like mindedness:

Posted by boobs for the boys (lotp) 2006-10-24 19:12|| 2006-10-24 19:12|| Front Page Top

#20 Ship - I'm jealous. I've just been given marching orders to drop a few and get ship-shape, lol. Lotta sweat betwixt here 'n there.

lotp - Heh - stock photo. I have better, lol, but I'm no longer on line so you'll hafta take my word for it. a5089 can prolly swamp us both. :-)

Posted by .com 2006-10-24 19:34|| 2006-10-24 19:34|| Front Page Top

#21 I did not expect that from you, lotp. Appropriate, though. ;-)

Posted by trailing wife 2006-10-24 19:38|| 2006-10-24 19:38|| Front Page Top

#22 We all need a chance to lighten up a bit. And as this article points out, sex is always on the male mind ....

True story from the early 1970s. I was meeting my fiance's grandmother for the first time. A proper Lady, she was, and quite intimidating. Until, in a discussion of the hippy movement, she leaned forward and said,

"Sex, sex, sex. You young people think you've invented it. I've forgotten more about sex than you all have learned so far!

And when I later saw photos of her in her beautiful youth in the '20s, I could believe it!

Posted by lotp 2006-10-24 19:42|| 2006-10-24 19:42|| Front Page Top

#23 We all need a chance to lighten up a bit.

Amen. Long hard slog ahead. I've already made my points in, oh, about 6 or 7 thousand different ways, lol, so no use in belaboring it further on every thread every day. Now I just wanna sit back, snark, appreciate others posts, ogle stuff, spit a little to keep up my aim, and flow with the go. :-)

Posted by .com 2006-10-24 20:02|| 2006-10-24 20:02|| Front Page Top

#24 I'm afraid I have only the RB stock photos to offer, but I'll keep my eye out for others to add to the library. ;-)

Posted by lotp 2006-10-24 20:03|| 2006-10-24 20:03|| Front Page Top

#25 Lol - shhhhh! a5089 will be all over you!

Posted by .com 2006-10-24 20:05|| 2006-10-24 20:05|| Front Page Top

#26 Y'know, it's funny - I'm not used to playing second-fiddle in the pr0n thingy, lol.

Posted by .com 2006-10-24 20:05|| 2006-10-24 20:05|| Front Page Top

#27 Thankee for the Titty lotp
peace be upon them

»:-)

Posted by RD 2006-10-24 23:03|| 2006-10-24 23:03|| Front Page Top

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