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2006-09-23 Olde Tyme Religion

Whipping up the rubes: Muslims protest against pope amidst calls for calm

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Posted by Fred 2006-09-23 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 From the Clausewitz aricle on the Opinion page:

"At the macro level. The most effective retrospective meta-narratives rise to the national (or even global) level and acquire the status of collective memories which, more often than not, have little to do with scholarly history. If there is one grand narrative that needs to be thoroughly deconstructed, it is that of Western imperialism vs. Muslim victimization. For nearly a thousand years, 711 until 1683, it was Islam which was on the offensive, and the West on the defensive, with a few sporadic counteroffensives (aka the Crusades). "

I guess Tony Corn will now have to dodge fatwas and hit teams, too.

Posted by .com 2006-09-23 06:33|| 2006-09-23 06:33|| Front Page Top

#2 One of the great revelations of my life was the discovery that the only way to learn history was by reading first person accounts of people who actually took part.

It made me realize that most of history as taught is merely ideology decorated with a few facts.

And if this is the real .com, welcome back bro. You are sorely missed.

Posted by phil_b 2006-09-23 08:30|| 2006-09-23 08:30|| Front Page Top

#3 "Whipping up the rubes" -- that says it all. Could be an entire category on Rantburg.

Posted by regular joe 2006-09-23 08:50|| 2006-09-23 08:50|| Front Page Top

#4 Of course we could whine and seethe with the best of them, but why put aside the coffee and push away from the desk when we can send it world wide with a keyboard and a push of a button here in sunny Rantburg. Ranting with style and technology! :) Heh.

The cold men of the north no longer dance in the streets and scream. [Well maybe the Kos Kiddies and their throwbacks do in festive ritual.] We just quietly wait for the 'line' to be crossed and then act. Knowing that all along in the end its just - Clean Up in Aisle 3. Maybe that is why the epidemic of obesity is sweeping the west. More dancing and seething and less typing? Something to think about, while I get another coffee.

Posted by Snolumble Snemble9521 2006-09-23 10:26|| 2006-09-23 10:26|| Front Page Top

#5 Remember Stalin's words - "How many divisions does the Pope have?" I think it's time for Catholics in particular, and all non-Islamic religions, to create some "divisions" to counter the islamonuts. We need a pro-Pope rally in Washington, New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Madrid, Mexico City, Lima, Toronto, Bulawayo, Johannesburg, Taipei, and anywhere else where there are non-Islamists. Let us show Islam that they're not the only one that can gather in great strength. I think such a display of unity would send shock waves through the Middle East like you wouldn't believe.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2006-09-23 16:03|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2006-09-23 16:03|| Front Page Top

#6 He should debate with Iranian scholars so logic replaces his irrelevant comments, said a leader of the protest.

Ok, that's the second article about Muslims demanding a set-piece debate, with the Pope converting when his Muslim judges deem his arguments unconvincing. This is the behaviour of an aggressive religion once it believes itself to be secure and triumphant. When Christianity was still working to convert the pagans of Europe, mostly by the tribe and the kingdom (pursuade the ruler and his people were converted by royal fiat), the leading thinkers of Christianity wrote erudite and pursuasive Apologetics, and their best students argued in front of the kings against representatives of other faiths (one such king decided the Jewish representative was the most pursuasive, and the entire kingdom remained Jewish for several centuries before being conquered by the Russians) Once the Christian character of Europe was secure, the bishops developed the habit of calling forth the local rabbis to defend the Jews' refusal to accept Christianity, the various penalties for losing being execution, conversion or expultion, generally for the entire community.

Christianity has outgrown this behaviour. Clearly the noisier parts of the Muslim Ummah feel the time is ripe when they can enforce such a situation on the only leader of Christianity they are aware of.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-09-23 17:41|| 2006-09-23 17:41|| Front Page Top

#7 Stalin's opinion of the pope reads like Ozymandius.

Posted by Super Hose 2006-09-23 19:17|| 2006-09-23 19:17|| Front Page Top

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