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2006-09-14 Olde Tyme Religion

Muslim Leaders Assail Popes Speech on Islam

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Posted by anonymous5089 2006-09-14 16:38|| || Front Page|| [11139 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I do not think any good will come from the visit to the Muslim world of a person who has such ideas about Islams prophet, Ali Bardakoglu, a cleric who is head of the Turkish governments directorate of religious affairs, said in a television interview there.

I'm liking this guy already.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-09-14 16:46|| 2006-09-14 16:46|| Front Page Top

#2 Angry Muslims... This is news?

Posted by Thoth 2006-09-14 16:48|| 2006-09-14 16:48|| Front Page Top

#3 They hate it when people tell the truth about them.

Posted by Charles 2006-09-14 16:59|| 2006-09-14 16:59|| Front Page Top

#4 Benedict has the unique chance to play a pivotal role in how this world views Islam. As the head shepherd of his gigantic flock, he is obligated to point up the significant threat that Islam has been, is and shall remain if it does not genuinely reform itself.

As the leader of a reformed church, Benedict must add similar restructuring to the list of issues confronting Islam. He has already done well by highlighting the lack of religious freedom in Muslim majority nations. It is time to add Islam's capital punishment of apostasy to the list as well.

I wonder if Islam will have the termerity to issue a death fatwah against Pope Benedict. That would certainly make clear just how obsessed it is with global domination. Needless to say (then why say it?), I applaud Pope Benedict and wish him every success in fighting Islam's craven doctrine.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-14 17:03|| 2006-09-14 17:03|| Front Page Top

#5 I wonder if Islam will have the termerity to issue a death fatwah against Pope Benedict.

You mean they haven't already? I thought it was assumed.

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2006-09-14 17:47|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-09-14 17:47|| Front Page Top

#6 The full text of the Pope's remarks can be found here.

The thrust of his speech was the fundamental difference in Christian and Islamic concepts of reason and God, not jihad. He used a 14th century conversation to illustrate his points. Key quotes "The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God's nature. ... as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality. ...At this point, as far as understanding of God and thus the concrete practice of religion is concerned, we are faced with an unavoidable dilemma. Is the conviction that acting unreasonably contradicts God's nature merely a Greek idea, or is it always and intrinsically true?"

Posted by Fodamage 2006-09-14 18:00|| http://www.foreignobjectdamage.blogspot.com]">[http://www.foreignobjectdamage.blogspot.com] 2006-09-14 18:00|| Front Page Top

#7 Is the conviction that acting unreasonably contradicts God's nature merely a Greek idea, or is it always and intrinsically true?"

There's the money quote.

We're finding that a reasonable God is quite a different being than the unreasonable Allan. The greeks may recognize "reason" and find this an important part of God's nature, Allanites may not question the enslavement to blind and ignorant following demanded by their Allan - to whom "reason" is unknown, and so forbidden to Allanites.

Posted by Thinemp Whimble2412 2006-09-14 19:53|| 2006-09-14 19:53|| Front Page Top

#8 Is the conviction that acting unreasonably contradicts God's nature merely a Greek idea, or is it always and intrinsically true?"

Acting unreasonably contradicts life and nature, whether you enter God into the equation or not. Rationality begets consistency. As Ayn Rand noted; In a contest between two individuals the one who is more consistent will prevail. An inconsistent individual will, at some point, be forced to revise their strategy. One who must change horses in midstream rarely goes on to break the tape.

This goes to the heart of a benevolent or malevolent universe. By dint of the anthropic principle alone, this universe is unquestionably benevolent. Otherwise human life, not to mention biological life in general, would not exist. A benevolent universe rewards rationality and reason. One look a Darwinian evolution proclaims this in no uncertain terms. The efficacy and elegance of natural selection is nothing short of breathtaking.

It is intrinsically true that life is predicated upon reasonable action. Regardless of whether creation is by God's hand or that of unassisted nature, acting unreasonably is less productive, less often successful and less efficient. This benevolent universe rewards efficiency and penalizes unreasonable acts.

One look at the glaring stagnation and endemic corruption of Islamic societies confirms the unreasonable aspect of their culture. That acting unreasonably is contradictory to divine and natural schema is not merely a Greek notion. Ratiocinate behavior is the wellspring of human progress and prosperity.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-14 20:32|| 2006-09-14 20:32|| Front Page Top

#9 All in fun...:

Posted by Thoth 2006-09-14 22:09|| 2006-09-14 22:09|| Front Page Top

#10 After the Friday mosque sermons, some Christians somewhere will die as a result of this.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2006-09-14 22:43|| 2006-09-14 22:43|| Front Page Top

#11 Damn! I apologize, that came out too small. Try again:

bonus pic to make up for your sore eyes:

Posted by Thoth 2006-09-14 23:14|| 2006-09-14 23:14|| Front Page Top

#12 Sore eyes? What about my sore wrist ... oh, nevermind.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-14 23:23|| 2006-09-14 23:23|| Front Page Top

#13 ima tender like em junck in da trunck to. :)

Posted by muck4doo 2006-09-14 23:37|| 2006-09-14 23:37|| Front Page Top

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