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2006-09-11 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by Mike 2006-09-11 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11137 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I said it "yesterday" but I'll say it again.

THE CUT SCENES DO NOT MATTER!

So why bother to cut them? Clearly the Clinton lawyers did not throw their weight around to get those scenes cut. So that means either they cut something else or the whole thing was hype.

Anyone who actually believes that ABC was forced by the Clinton team to cut those scenes is deluded.

Posted by Clereling Cruns6778 2006-09-11 00:10|| 2006-09-11 00:10|| Front Page Top

#2 You know the Left > Dubya-GOP is "Fascist". Fascist Amerika > Hated Despicable Warmongering HItlerist-Nazi = also Well Meaning but error-prone Limited Commie-Totalitarian Amerika. The USSA = Amerikan Global SSR Amerikanski voters have to choose between the unpatriotic, undedicated George Adolf "I am for Germany, the German People, and for National Socialism" Bushitler; versus the undeniably patriotic, THEY-WHOM-MUST-NOT-BE-NAMED, "I AM FOR EVERYONE = ANYONE = NO ONE", DemoLeft Waffle-crats and INSPECTOR "I SUSPECT EVERYONE AND NO ONE" CLOUSEAU-CRATS. Any and all agendas being equal, VOTE FOR THE PATRIOT WHOM DOESN'T WANNA SAY = CAN't SAY HE'S FOR AMERICA.
* FOR OWG, but doesn't know why or won't say.
*For SOCIALISM = NATIONAL/PERSONAL SAFETY-SECURITY, but doesn't know why or won't say.
* America = Amerika, but doesn't know why or won't say.
* Govt. is broke andor criminal, but doesn't know why or won't say.
* And so on - OBVIOUSLY IFF AMERIKA WAS 1930's GERMANY, BILLARY WOULD WIN IN A HEARTBEAT
AGAINST ADOLF AND HINDENBURG.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-09-11 00:50|| 2006-09-11 00:50|| Front Page Top

#3 Lol, tomorrow Mike? RB doesn't work that way, bro...

Observations...

We're all, I hope, aware of the 9/11 Commission's blatant political aspects. Since this TV event relies on the tainted report they produced, we should not expect too much. We'll never be happy with the level of honesty and we'll always resent the dishonesty. So what's new? There's mucho blame to go around. I'm prepared to get over it and focus on trying to win this goddamned war. I recommend this to everyone, from the balanced and honest folks to the seethers who demand perfection from everyone... a level of competence they don't demand of themselves, no doubt. Let's stop the freak-out shit over the Camelot II crowd as well as ankle-biting idiocy when Bush fails the perfection test. I think it's important to be honest. Laugh at the ass coverage and support what efforts toward victory come our way. It's never as easy as is portrayed or believed... Let's just do the right thing when we have the chance, say like in November, and support the efforts of those whose hearts are in the right place, though their approach doesn't yield immediate gratification and fulfilment of our personal agendas. If we survive, you can replay their failings at your leisure, lol. If we don't, I promise I'll sing your praises as I write songs of your legendary brilliance and bravery from my cave.

Back to the show... We know what's what and who's real, despite the best efforts of Clinton's lame legacy-building BS, so the dumbed-down indictments of the various players is only a diminution of the satisfaction quotient. IMHO, though they pulled or filed down some teeth to cover their asses with the Camelot II Crowd, this was well worth the effort and viewing time. Putting the cynic in me aside for a moment, I figure the average American watching this, assuming an IQ in excess of their shoe size and something less than a raging case of BDS, was surprised in a hundred different ways. By the "wall" BS. By the Law Enforcement model limitations. By the obvious level of political ass coverage that took first priority with every US Govt official. By the barbarian wackomatic world of PakiWakiLand. It's impossible to name all the ways in which the "I've never-been-anywhere like that!" folks were potentially surprised, if not shocked. I hope most were shocked - right out of their complacent gilded turd complacency. I hope they lost their collective dinner. I won't hold my breath, but I believe this helped with many, brought some to a new level of understanding, and likely convinced a few of the reality of the WoT being a fight to the death of either Islam or Freedom. All the marbles.

I did especially enjoy the Halfbright bits, lol. What a jackass. They captured the outrageous pomposity so well that I was laughing aloud every time she appeared. She's the perfect icon for State Dept fecklessness and its role as the most obviously pointless speedbump in the WoT.

It would be no understatement to say that this first episode was the Harvey Keitel, er Bill O'Neil, show, lol. Knowing now how he rewrote entire scenes and lines in almost all of his scenes, exercising his "rights" as a Hollyweird "star" ego powerhouse, I believe he has now superseded and stolen the throne from George Clooney as the biggest egotistical self-serving asshole in Hollyweird. It was quite the virtuoso performance of egomania, in fact. The real Bill O'Neil is probably a great guy, smart guy, a true patriot who did great things, but Harvey just couldn't resist making himself into the icon of Fibbie perfection, foresight, prescient badass uber-tough-guy, and button-down stud muffin.

The Fibbies were certainly given a shiny sheen... only the successes were shown. If the '93 WTC clown hadn't gone back for his Ryder van rental deposit, I wonder how the Fibbie role would have played out, heh. I'm sure they would've looked rather different, as they would've had few or no assets without rescuing the driver from Egyptian Security. Only the former Egyptian officer was presented as a useful source... and without his courage to re-enter the blind Sheikh Abdul-Rahman's world, they would've been out of the game until the next event. On such slender threads is Fibbie success hung.

Oh, almost forgot, Keitel was beyond gratuitous with his "Why is it always the females who are alert?" bit. I would hope it's rather obvious that I loves the wymyns more than life itself, but c'mon, that was simply inane and pointless - a Keitel thingy where he apparently thinks it needs saying - it doesn't. He didn't have the same regard for "Kirk" the collective CIA field agent who was almost whacked twice, in Africa and with Ahmed Shah Massoud in Afghanistan... Poor guys had the misfortune to be myns, so he / they weren't worthy of such special notice and regard, lol. Nope, no lines were altered for them, lol. We're all in this together and gender has NOTHING to do with it. Keitel. Sanctimonious PC-addled Fucktard.

I got quite a kick out of 2 particular bits: the images of beturbaned goatherders sitting at PC's in the bin Laden Afghan camp, doing what?, prolly trolling for pr0n, lol -- and the KSM / Yousef scenes in Filipino dives surrounded by tasty tarts and loud music, swilling Singapore Slings or whatever... It brought to mind something I've been thinking for a long time, but have never said before...

A primary difference between us and Islam is that we don't fuck our food before we eat it.

So they played the 8 years of the Camelot II "efforts" in the Wot in 3 hours... and probably deserve a good review for the eye-opening effect it will have on some folks. *golf clap*

Next up, 3 (?) more hours covering the 9 months of the Bush admin... I'm sure I'll enjoy the "handoff" sequences where the Camelot II crowd bravely tries to impress upon the stupid BusHitler crowd how important and vital the WoT is, lol. Should be fun if you can just grit your teeth and hang on. One thing is certain: the only substantive action against the Talebunnies was taken by Bush. The spin aspect of witless political Law Enforcement BS and Clinton Camelot II ass coverage should be taken as black comedy. Five years on, it's history so I rather echo Mr Bleat: let it go. It'll be interesting to see how it's characterized, but I won't let it spoil the hope the show opens some eyes. Keeping people engaged in this fight and waking up the short-attention-span dunderheads is what matters.

Oh well, enough of my woolgathering... apologies for the typos and shit.

Big Grins. See you again tomorrow...

Posted by .com 2006-09-11 02:21|| 2006-09-11 02:21|| Front Page Top

#4 LOL. No offense, but I'm glad you don't hold a grudge - I'm not sure RB has the bandwidth. :)

Posted by flyover 2006-09-11 03:19|| 2006-09-11 03:19|| Front Page Top

#5 A primary difference between us and Islam is that we don't fuck our food before we eat it.

Red hot, A-#1 contender for "Snark of the Day" award.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-11 04:10|| 2006-09-11 04:10|| Front Page Top

#6 Hooray! Perspective!! Well said, .com. And necessary, periodically, with this crowd. This November the election is going to be about the War on Terror, and not just because we here at Rantburg want it to be. The day before yesterday I noticed an ad against one of our local Congresscritters, and it was all about how he voted against the War on Terror, against stopping illegal immigration, against... (Well, I already know how I'm going to vote, so the details didn't interest me as much as usual.) Paid for by the Republican Party. It's going to be an interesting election.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-09-11 07:15|| 2006-09-11 07:15|| Front Page Top

#7 "A primary difference between us and Islam is that we don't fuck our food before we eat it."

Dang. In one sentence, you've shoved aside the Prime Differentiator I've been relying on for the last five years: that this is a battle between those who wipe their asses with their bare left hands, and those who use toilet paper.

Paradigms change. Minds reel. But this new idea, I think it'll work...

"The spin aspect of witless political Law Enforcement BS and Clinton Camelot II ass coverage should be taken as black comedy. Five years on, it's history so I rather echo Mr Bleat: let it go."

If the debate over the "law enforcement approach" were merely about digging up that particular dead horse to beat it some more, I'd agree with you and Lileks: let it go.

But it's more than that, because over the last several months the Democrats have been making it increasingly clear that they actually want to return to those failed methods-- they've been vigorously peddling the idea that the "law enforcement approach" is (and was) the best way to deal with terrorism. No more of GWB's silly "war" stuff; that just makes enemies. They want to take us right back to the same ineffectual, limpdick stupidity that brought us 9/11 in the first place. And almost every one of them's been campaigning on that platform, explicitly or implicitly, for months.

Which explains why the Dhimmis went absolutely ballistic over ABC's "The Path to 9/11": it's not that it removes some of the polish from Bill Clinton's knob; it's that it undermines the entire platform they want to run on this year and again in 2008.

History I wouldn't get worked up about; the future, I do.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-09-11 07:18|| 2006-09-11 07:18|| Front Page Top

#8 I did especially enjoy the Halfbright bits, lol. What a jackass. They captured the outrageous pomposity so well that I was laughing aloud every time she appeared. She's the perfect icon for State Dept fecklessness and its role as the most obviously pointless speedbump in the WoT.
.com

Amen and amen .com

Posted by Besoeker 2006-09-11 07:19|| 2006-09-11 07:19|| Front Page Top

#9 For myself I note that the true "tiny minority" of muslims in "Path" was represented by the lone guy in Pakistan that snitched on Ramzi. Whether for $$$ or true idealism I won't say. Fact is I'm convinced the majority of muslims support jihad either actively or passively because their "holy" book and supporting doctrine (ahadith etc) tells them to do so.

Posted by Mark Z 2006-09-11 08:04|| 2006-09-11 08:04|| Front Page Top

#10 We were almost all asleep at the wheel. It showed that. And it showed the Muzzies as being dead serious about hitting us and why they believed we'd just roll over again.

The mystery isnt that they did it, or why they did it, its that so many on the lunatic left here think they can reason with the fanatics, and the left wants to lie and twist everything for political gain in the US - they beleive they can return to the past.

That world is dead and gone. Learn to live in the new one.

Posted by Oldspook 2006-09-11 08:25|| 2006-09-11 08:25|| Front Page Top

#11 We were almost all asleep at the wheel.

Certainly true for me. I had no clue at all on 9/10.

It's too bad the Dhimmicrats can't just admit that as well; they could then get past a lot of triangulation and nonsense, and perhaps even start making some sense. BC, Maddy, Sandy Burghler and the heroic Richard Clarke can't admit that they missed the importance of Osama and islamofascism.

Lileks recently wrote that he's willing to forgive everyone on both sides for everything up to 9/10; it's what one has done from 9/11 on that matters. I'd be willing to do the same if only the Dhimmis would be man/woman enough to stand up and allocute.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2006-09-11 10:01|| 2006-09-11 10:01|| Front Page Top

#12 Albright, Berger, Clinton, etc. all object because they "didn't say" some of the things in the film, or some scenes "never happened".

I've absolutely NO DOUBT that what did actually happen, and what was actually said is FAR WORSE than the film portrays. And, don't know why, but I'm still optimistic that the majority of the American people can see through the screaming and hollering. Albright alone makes the dems look like buffoons. "The Lady doth protest too much, methinks."

I agree that despite what the polls are saying about the economy, taxes, jobs, immigration, etc, terrorism will be at the forefront come election time. We shall see.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-09-11 11:03|| 2006-09-11 11:03|| Front Page Top

#13 Damnit, you're right, Dave D. I'll have to shed this soft forgiving side and get more serious about this baffling jihad thingy, lol. :-)

Posted by .com 2006-09-11 11:30|| 2006-09-11 11:30|| Front Page Top

#14 Never forgive the foodfuckers, Paco. NEVER. :)

I've been noodling lately: if we could somehow magically jettison all the politically-correct, culturally-relative, multi-culti, non-judgemental, warm-fuzzy, progressive horse puckey we've accumulated since we fought WWII, how difficult would this current struggle really be?

I came across a boggling statistic a few weeks back that brought home just how lightly we're treading in this war: the annual number of combat dead in Iraq so far, is about the same as the number of Americans who die each year in recreational boating accidents.

For some reason, that just blows my mind...

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-09-11 11:42|| 2006-09-11 11:42|| Front Page Top

#15 Lol, Dave...

"I've been noodling lately: if we could somehow magically jettison all the politically-correct, culturally-relative, multi-culti, non-judgemental, warm-fuzzy, progressive horse puckey we've accumulated since we fought WWII, how difficult would this current struggle really be?"

Ooh, ooh, I know, I know, call on me!

Kill the sources of it. Like dead. Logic demands unvarnished unalloyed truth, IMVHO. There it is. How we disguise this "jihad" is all that remains. As always, some folks (self-described as 'sensitive') will demand it look like accidents 'n stuff.The hunter / killer teams will, therefore, have to be pretty clever. Mebbe this is like the Gary, the World's Greatest Actor thingy in Team America: World Police, y'know? We'll send our best assassins to study in NY and El Lay and...

Posted by .com 2006-09-11 11:49|| 2006-09-11 11:49|| Front Page Top

#16 "Kill the sources of it. Like dead."

Yup. Won't be pretty, though...

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-09-11 11:54|| 2006-09-11 11:54|| Front Page Top

#17 We were almost all asleep at the wheel.

No. Looking in the wrong places, perhaps (the most radical Palestinian splinter groups, Saddam Hussein), but the things I'd been reading since the mid-1990s said the terror experts were waiting for something to happen. Mr. Clarke thought it would be an attack on our computers, and there was concern about suitcase nukes hidden in cities, or self-infected smallpox or ebola carriers. Watch some of the action films of that period, like the one on NBC/CBS/ABC a few weeks ago about the Muslim fanatics in Paris who met after services at the neigborhood mosque to inoculate themselves with stolen smallpox, then got on international flights as their chosen method of jihad; it was originally released in 1998 or -9, I believe. The zeitgeist said something was coming, and that it was going to be jihadis. In those days I read the New York Times and listened to NPR, exclusively, except for dipping into the International Herald Tribune when Mr. Wife brought it home from a trip abroad, so I learnt to be concerned about it from those sources. Mr. Clinton and his people knew that Al Qaeda was a real risk, hence the dramatic attack on empty tents and aspirin factories (although I still wonder whether that last was as much a cock-up as people said -- dual use facilities being all the rage in that part of the world); they just chose to push it down the line, and I imagine when the airplanes hit some people's first reaction was, "Thank god they held off until we cleared out."

That's why I'm not angry anymore, nor even sad; we knew something like this was going to happen, and we knew it was going to happen sooner or later. Post hoc research has shown that that there were a great many such things in Al Qaeda's pipeline (the anthrax letters, more hijackers whose flights never took off, shoe bombers later, and most recently the British airplane mass hijacking). Likely there were many things prevented before 9/11 that we'll never hear about, and many things prevented since, each one of which could have had the impact of 9/11, whether individually or cumulatively.

So what I'm left with is cold determination: we will win against this self-declared enemy of our freedoms. I can't do much in this war, being neither leader nor follower, having neither the necessary skills nor even (these days) the strength to do more than take care of my personal homefront. But what I can do -- contribute my mite here, ensure that we won't be a burden if something does happen, and that my children understand well what they are facing, VOTE (even if only for the lesser of two evils), inject the occasional mind-changing fact into a dinner conversation -- to support those are fighting, that I will continue to do until this is over.

Never Forget. Never Forgive. Never Accept.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-09-11 12:20|| 2006-09-11 12:20|| Front Page Top

#18 TW, you are so right about the zeitgeist of those times. My own example: on 9/11 I was living way out in Australia's Western Desert, getting my news from the relentlessly liberal Australian press, whenever someone came home with a paper.
It all happened overnight, there. In the morning my friend Richard told me the story, the first thing I said was, "Listen. Did anybody mention the name "Osama bin Laden?"

Posted by Grunter 2006-09-11 13:20|| 2006-09-11 13:20|| Front Page Top

#19 And one more thing. On that day, none were "lost". All were murdered.

Posted by Grunter 2006-09-11 13:23|| 2006-09-11 13:23|| Front Page Top

#20 "...BC, Maddy, Sandy Burghler and the heroic Richard Clarke can't admit that they missed the importance of Osama and islamofascism."

They can't admit that with good reason, they had no excuse not to know about the dangers of OBL and islamofascisim. Oliver North quite specifically warned about the dangers of rising islamism and Osama Bin Laden during the Iran/Contra trials.

Posted by Texas Redneck 2006-09-11 15:29|| 2006-09-11 15:29|| Front Page Top

#21 .com, glad to see you're back. You've been missed. TW, I suspect that those you know personally have at least as much regard for your assessment capabilities as we do here at the 'Burg. That means when you speak, they listen. Keep talking--we're going to need all the help we can get before this is over because the biggest of the battles we'll fight will be the one in America against the moonbats.

Posted by mac 2006-09-11 18:10|| 2006-09-11 18:10|| Front Page Top

#22 I'm mostly with you, .com, but for these:

The real Bill O'Neil is probably a great guy, smart guy, a true patriot who did great things,

It's John O'Neill. And, as its security chief, he died in the WTC on 9/11. A bit of hagiography isn't surprising.

The Fibbies were certainly given a shiny sheen... only the successes were shown. If the '93 WTC clown hadn't gone back for his Ryder van rental deposit, I wonder how the Fibbie role would have played out, heh.

Oh, I think that was made pretty clear. Not to mention the FBI guy chewing out the locals about taking the van evidence in the first place, then taking credit for tracking it down.

Posted by JSU 2006-09-11 18:32|| 2006-09-11 18:32|| Front Page Top

#23 They didn't miss the significance of bin Laden. But, like that British officer who thought going to the country for the weekend was more important than sending orders off to the Generals in the Colonies, they had a dot com boom to preside over, celebrating the end of History.

mac, thank you. That's the mite that I can do, synthesize what all you knowledgeable people place so generously in front of me. That, and serve imaginary tea and cake (and stronger stuff on the sideboard (selected by AutoBartender hisveryownself! so you know it's the good stuff) for those who prefer it) for the momentary amusement of those doing real work.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-09-11 19:49|| 2006-09-11 19:49|| Front Page Top

#24 Good to see you here again, .com.

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