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2006-09-09 Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Today's Tearjerker: Gaza dreams lie in tatters *sniff*
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Posted by Gruth Hupeagum6409 2006-09-09 10:08|| || Front Page|| [11135 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 I'm a little more sympathetic than you. One group who were NOT blamed for Gaza's condition, but should be, are the Islamacist religious leaders who urged people to have 9, 10, 11 kids or more in order to outbreed the Jews.

Doing that in a densely populated tiny region with little indigenous industry or agriculture goes beyond irresponsible. It is the direct cause of the deep, grinding poverty in Gaza.

The EU's co-dependency relationship with the Palestinians allowed this sort of preaching to be heard and followed, since it meant Gazans never ever had to think about the consequences of their birthrate combined with poor education.

If I had been a Gazan in the last election I don't know who I would have voted for. The PLO is deeply, deeply corrupt and siphoned off most of the aid money. The aid projects that were started under them were seldom finished and usually given out as patronage.

OTOH Hamas was a clear recipe for international disaster. We photographed too many IRC ambulances used in terror attacks and documented too many efforts by Hamas to break the basic rules of agreements that were negotiated, so the Euros had to back off of outright support for Hamas and the results after that were inevitable.
Posted by lotp 2006-09-09 11:47||   2006-09-09 11:47|| Front Page Top

#2 the moderate Fatah Party,

Is that like the right-wing Democratic Party?
Posted by DoDo 2006-09-09 12:08||   2006-09-09 12:08|| Front Page Top

#3 --"In four months, we did not have any meal with meat."
Get this man a contract w/PETA! See, it can be done!

Salim Taba, a 30-year-old engineer, has not been paid his monthly US$800 (€630) salary from the Palestinian Authority in six months. He is considering selling his car and some of his wife's jewelry to pay back part of a US$12,000 (€9,440) bank loan.


Jewelry and a car? I thought they were poor....
Posted by anonymous2u 2006-09-09 12:12||   2006-09-09 12:12|| Front Page Top

#4 I'm all out of tears - check out the Paleos' new body armor...
Posted by Frank G 2006-09-09 12:12||   2006-09-09 12:12|| Front Page Top

#5 Gaza: sympathy meter LOCKED, BOLTED and WELDED on ZERO. You did it to yourselves, punks, just like the Hezb scum in S. Leb. You chose your actions, NOW YOU CAN LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE ACTIONS.
Posted by mac 2006-09-09 12:14||   2006-09-09 12:14|| Front Page Top

#6 It sounds like it may be a good idea to open a one man office in Gaza and divert some of that free money to those who could use it more productively (like me!)
Posted by Jake-the-Peg">Jake-the-Peg  2006-09-09 12:21||   2006-09-09 12:21|| Front Page Top

#7 Frank, I know. I know. The Gazans at this point seem to be hopeless and worthless.

But I still maintain there is a special place in Hell for the sons of bitches who encouraged them in their downward spiral. Those who use kids as shields today were born and raised in that environment. It's the leaders in the 60s and 70s who I would condemn to the darkest, most painful places in the Pit.
Posted by lotp 2006-09-09 12:30||   2006-09-09 12:30|| Front Page Top

#8 Lotp has some good points, I don't see what could really be added, except than the byline comments in this article are very good too. RB quality material.
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-09-09 12:40||   2006-09-09 12:40|| Front Page Top

#9 
the moderate Fatah Party,

Is that like the right-wing Democratic Party?
Moderate is being used as a relative term here.
Posted by Korora">Korora  2006-09-09 13:52||   2006-09-09 13:52|| Front Page Top

#10 'relative term' meaning one faction wants the Jews dead, and the other wants to mutilate the bodies?
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-09-09 14:17||   2006-09-09 14:17|| Front Page Top

#11 "Yep, some voted for Fatah. Kinda like voting for Goebbels instead of Hitler."

"...busy-beehive Mormons..."

Lol, indeed. Excellent in-line stuff. *applause*

I'd say that focusing on the breeding aspect is a little picky, lotp. That's true of all Islam, regardless of the territory involved. It's simply the result of Islamic misogyny. :-}

That the Paleos have perfected the blind and self-defeating Hate Machine™ is obvious, too, IMHO, so thumping 'em for it strikes me (lol) as apropos. The goofiness of this attempted symp piece just boggles - all of the facts prove their situation is self-inflicted and their logic delusional. Fluffing, indeed, lol.
Posted by .com 2006-09-09 14:39||   2006-09-09 14:39|| Front Page Top

#12 What I was trying to say is that they're using the term "moderate" quite loosely. As in, one bolt left half-on and the others removed kind of loose.
Posted by Korora">Korora  2006-09-09 14:39||   2006-09-09 14:39|| Front Page Top

#13 The first sentence really says it all in one word;

squalid - [skwol-id, skwaw-lid]
–adjective 1. foul and repulsive, as from lack of care or cleanliness; neglected and filthy.

The conditions in Gaza are, indeed, "squalid". They are a direct reflection of Palestinian attitudes specifically, and Arab mentality in general.

Great inline commentary, Gruth Hupeagum6409. As to the article's overall content;

BOO-F&CKING-HOO! CRY ME A RIVER AND FILL IT WITH HERRING!
Posted by Zenster 2006-09-09 14:47||   2006-09-09 14:47|| Front Page Top

#14 Hey there, stranger. Good to see you around. Did you get a gander at Fjordman's article on "Moderate Muslims™"? It confirms everything you've ever preached to us about these vermin in sheep's clothing, .com. I cannot thank you enough for opening my eyes to the unalloyed threat represented by all practicioners of Islam.
Posted by Zenster 2006-09-09 14:51||   2006-09-09 14:51|| Front Page Top

#15 Oooh, cool - nope, I hadn't seen that - some good reading ahead, thx!

To be honest, I know we all hate what's coming, but they've allowed us no choice in the matter. Sucks, in fact. I dread having to explain it to my grandkids... But I'll prolly start early - before the edumahduhcation system has filled their heads with the PC and pussification BS that has made us so vulnerable to such crude and banal threats as an ancient relic of barbarity and thoroughly failed idiocy such as socialism. Boggles. :-)
Posted by .com 2006-09-09 15:01||   2006-09-09 15:01|| Front Page Top

#16 I know we all hate what's coming

When I first arrived at Rantburg, I did dread the impending Muslim Holocaust™. That is no longer the case. After five long years of nothing but more Islamic atrocities and the Thundering Silence © of tacitly supportive Muslims, I have reached the limits of my patience.

A new 9-11 occurs every single day. Another 3,000 people die whose lives might have been saved had we not been obliged to divert such tremendous amounts of wealth and manpower into thwarting the psychotic genocidal aspirations of a few ultra-violent Muslims. We need to clean Islam's collective clock and set about the more worthwhile tasks of fighting illiteracy, disease, famine and deprivation. All things which Islam seeks to install with its retrogressive barbaric cultism.

Enough is enough. As Fred mentioned in yesterday's article about the OIC's latest round of blaming "Islamophobia" (otherwise known as a 'healthy survival instinct') instead of taking responsibility for terrorism;

You want to quickly eliminate "Islamophobia"? Actively hunt down and ruthlessly kill every terrorist you get wind of. No explanations accepted, no dissimulation, just a bullet to the back of the head. Or maybe cut their heads off, we don't care. When Islam as an international force is something terrorists are afraid of, then we can talk.
Posted by Zenster 2006-09-09 15:31||   2006-09-09 15:31|| Front Page Top

#17 Gawd. Damn.

I'm not finished with it, yet, but this is the definitive word. No stone is left unexamined and no trick or tenet left unexposed.

Wow. Fjordman is a steel trap - with sharp teeth and unfailing intellect.

He doesn't quite call Islam a human pathogen, heh, but he destroys the PC notions that we are dealing with people who think like us, but simply believe in different things - the typical fallacy of most Western attempts to analyze or explain Islam. They are nothing like us in any meaningful aspect - and Fjordman effortlessly annihilates the fools who fail to see it. We cannot "deal" with them for they are completely alien. We are faced, literally, with Us vs. Them and he proves it in spades.

An awesome effort and a truly brilliant result.

Thanks, Zen. Already bookmarked and saved on local disk.
Posted by .com 2006-09-09 15:32||   2006-09-09 15:32|| Front Page Top

#18 You are most welcome, .com. You have my deepest thanks for laying the groundwork so that I could appreciate the importance of Fjordman's message. Moderate Islam is a sham on the order of Moderate Nazism. I owe you bigtime, friend.
Posted by Zenster 2006-09-09 15:38||   2006-09-09 15:38|| Front Page Top

#19 I paid a first-hand price, lol. You are most welcome if I helped, but lawzy, lawzy, I'm a fluffy dandelion compared to Fjordman. Woohoo he's GREAT!

I'm soooo jealous, lol.
Posted by .com 2006-09-09 15:42||   2006-09-09 15:42|| Front Page Top

#20 Wowzer! dot com is back! How ya been?
We missed you around here.
Posted by GK 2006-09-09 15:45||   2006-09-09 15:45|| Front Page Top

#21 When I first arrived at Rantburg, I did dread the impending Muslim Holocaust. That is no longer the case. After five long years of nothing but more Islamic atrocities and the Thundering Silence of tacitly supportive Muslims, I have reached the limits of my patience.

My patience has run out as well; but I still dread what we will in all likelihood end up having to do because it's gonna be REAL ugly.

But what I dread more is what we're going to have to endure before our society works up a head of steam sufficient to get us to that point. Not just the ever-rising tide of bullshit from the Left, but the near certainty that we're going to end up with one or more of our cities nuked before we get off our asses and act.

Welcome back, .com; you are REALLY missed around here.

Off to the gun shop; BBL...

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D.  2006-09-09 15:57||   2006-09-09 15:57|| Front Page Top

#22 Gasse, my man, I'm good - and happy to see you're still posting, lol. Shall we bore 'em with some Majik Kingdom stories? Lol.

I'm just a n00b, again, heh.

Here's as close as I ever came to Fjordman:

World History in 10 Easy Steps
by Mo

1) Ima have a Dream thingy: get even with Jooos, lenders, and wymyns!

2) I'll run around the desert taking over stuff, cutting off heads and clits and stuff.

3) Then: Global Dominion and death or slavery for the polytheists and infidels! w00t!

*lotsa time passes*

4) Whew! World's kinda Big. Arrgghh - fucking Crusaders! Pesky Shi'a splitters!

*lots more time passes*

5) Black Gold! The Beverly Hillbillies Wahhabis and Black Hats snarf up the petrobux...

6) Export program's ramped up - we're on our way now! Woohoo! Bam! Bam! Uh oh...

7) Persnickety Great Satan infidels object to the death or slavery thingy. Hmmm...

8) It's Hudna Time! Hire PR firm: Check! Create Thimk Tanks: Check! Payoffs: Check!

9) RoP! Root Causes! We're all Moderates! You'll feel bad! Really bad! sleep...sleep...sleep...

10) Rinse. Repeat. Patience, ummah, patience... Ah, at last... Dominion.

Q.E.D. --- R.I.Pieces, Freedom.

Heh.
Posted by .com 2006-09-09 15:58||   2006-09-09 15:58|| Front Page Top

#23 Damn, Dave! You harshed my mellow! That is the crux of the biscuit: we'll have to get seriously plastered before the baggage half of us realize what Fjordman wrote is dead solid perfect Truth. MegaSigh.

I'm gonna hafta get me an NV license so's I can buy a gun here. I've been lazy about that... but it's only been 2.5 years and my TX license is still good so I kinda put it off... Lol.
Posted by .com 2006-09-09 16:04||   2006-09-09 16:04|| Front Page Top

#24 Even then I wonder ... on my worst days I worry that the "better in a burkha than in a uniform" mindset will delay and erode our capabilities until we have no options left.

On my better days I dread but also look forward to ending this shit.
Posted by lotp 2006-09-09 16:30||   2006-09-09 16:30|| Front Page Top

#25 One small point, skipping back to the top of the thread: Gruth Hupeagum6409 (wonderful in-line comments, my dear, you nailed the essence of it all!) points to Hamas as the bad guys, and the Paleos as not getting it. lotp, too, wrote of the religious leaders that encouraged overproduction of offspring. However, the many babies thingy was originally a PLO (post-election loss known as Fatah, for some reason) program, based on Mahmoud Abbas' dissertation, in which he proposed using excess population to push the Jews off the land as an alternative to the open violence alternating with world pressure organized by Yasser Arafat.

In the West having large families tend to be a decision made by conservative, religious types. For the Palestinians, who are for the most part monogamous as far as I am aware (unlike those Gulf Arabs who can afford a multiplicity of wives) birthing maximum cannon fodder has always been a political decision.
Posted by trailing wife 2006-09-09 17:28||   2006-09-09 17:28|| Front Page Top

#26 I'm sorry, that should be

Mahmoud Abbas' PhD dissertation

because these things should be properly respected.
Posted by trailing wife 2006-09-09 17:30||   2006-09-09 17:30|| Front Page Top

#27 Indeed, tw. I respect him just as much as is proper.
Posted by lotp 2006-09-09 17:39||   2006-09-09 17:39|| Front Page Top

#28 "Gaza dreams lie in tatters"

I'd like to give this the sympathy it deserves - but I can't find my nano-violin.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut  2006-09-09 17:51|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]  2006-09-09 17:51|| Front Page Top

#29 Back from the gun shop. Christmas is in the bag.

"Damn, Dave! You harshed my mellow!"

Dang! I just HATE it when that happens...

"I'm gonna hafta get me an NV license so's I can buy a gun here."

Say what? I thought it was only the LLL coastal states that made you do that "license" shit??? Criminy...

Oh, well.

While wallowing through the no-man's-land of the WTFIDC* Days the last few months here on the 'Burg, I've been doing a lot of noodling along the lines of "Where is this 'GWoT' thingie gonna go from here?"

I don't see any big changes so long as GWB is in office barring a) a major, mass-casualty terrorist attack on one of our cities or b) an upset victory by the Democrats in November that puts them overwhelmingly in charge of the House and the Senate.

But the war we're waging right now will come to an abrupt end at exactly noon on January 20th, 2009 when Bush's successor is sworn in. That'll be it, full stop. Finito. And at that moment a new war will take its place, guided by someone else's sense (or lack of it) as to what should be done about the Islamic menace. And that new path may be VERY different from the one GWB and crew have laid out.

But what will it be? I don't have any answers I'm real confident about, but I do have a strong gut sense that if GWB is followed by a Democrat we are in deep, DEEP doo-doo.

Something to continue thinking about, anyway...

* WTFIDC = "Where The Fuck Is Dot-Com????"

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D.  2006-09-09 18:53||   2006-09-09 18:53|| Front Page Top

#30 Debates...we'll have debates and things will be a biy more obvious by then, so the debaters will be asked questions like;
How do you intend to stop Israel from burning Damascus ? or Will you commit American troops to the shia-sunni civil war ?
We will pick our winner when he bashes McCain in the face and declares war on the donkey 'moderates'.
We're looking for one man with two balls.
Posted by wxjames 2006-09-09 19:52||   2006-09-09 19:52|| Front Page Top

#31 Hey, .com is back.
Posted by gromgoru 2006-09-09 20:16||   2006-09-09 20:16|| Front Page Top

#32 #31: "Hey, .com is back."

He's back, and he's baaaaaaaaad.

Yippee! :-D
Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut  2006-09-09 20:22|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]  2006-09-09 20:22|| Front Page Top

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