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2006-09-04 Home Front: Politix

US paper defends use of term 'Islamofascism'

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Posted by Fred 2006-09-04 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11126 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Some of us do not accept Islam as a bona fide religion because it is imposed on subjects, in that Muslims are prohibited from acceptance of separation of church and state. Belief is beside the point; state law binds compliance in the injunctions of Islam. Being born with even a single Muslim parent, binds cult slaves for life.

I once saw a Muslim co-worker lunching on a burrito during the Ramadan fast. He begged me not to tell his fellow slaves of the moon-god. No compulsion, my butt.

Posted by Snease Shaiting3550 2006-09-04 00:36|| 2006-09-04 00:36|| Front Page Top

#2 The newspaper declared, "The terms Islamic fascism and Islamofascism are here to stay. They describe an actual political phenomenon, like it or not".

Contrary to everything that Islam wants or would have us believe. Now, Joe Public, write that on the blackboard 100 times.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-04 01:11|| 2006-09-04 01:11|| Front Page Top

#3 Yeah, we like the cadence. Islamo-faschist. If it upsets you poor Muzzies, get used to it. We don't give a flyin' f**k.

Posted by SOP35/Rat 2006-09-04 01:57|| 2006-09-04 01:57|| Front Page Top

#4 It is FASCISM. What else can it be? The wrappings are Taqiyyah soaked and bounded.

Were the followers not widely known as Mohammadens at the time of the Crusades and shortly afterwards until they, the faithful, objected and had the Europeans(with short memories) conceded the term and called them muslims instead - marking the beginning of Western political correctness?

For a thousand years or so later the progressive societies had better things to attend to and forgot about that lurking thralldom of islmaofascism which threatens human civilization.

Posted by Duh! 2006-09-04 03:18|| 2006-09-04 03:18|| Front Page Top

#5 Like it or not, Islam is a bona fide religion and this is a holy war. It's not so much against Islam and JudeoChristians as it is against facism and western society - but those two are separated by core beliefs founded in religious underpinnings. Western society was founded on JudeoChristian principals. You don't have to believe in the deity of Gods for this to be holy war because it's a clash of the values held by Islamic adherents who would rather kill and destroy western society than to accept western values of tolerance, forgiveness, and concepts of individual freedom. Thus you can call it anything you want - but in effect it is a holy war.

That the Muslims living in the western world are taking offense at the term Islamofacism is both troubling and revealing. Accepting this distinction was an out that the term provided for them - a chance to say that the fanatics do not represent them - that they are indeed a religion of peace.

Their choice to reject this out and instead consider it an insult to their honor has very serious consequences in this war. It means we have no way of separating the average Muslim living among us from the Islamofacist. I sadly predict that pogroms will be a direct result from their refusal to allow this distinction to be made. It simply a fact that the concept of converting by the sword and western freedom can not peacefully coexist.

Posted by Shush Sholuth7794 2006-09-04 05:36|| 2006-09-04 05:36|| Front Page Top

#6 "..Islam is a bona fide religion "

Only inasmuchas it claims for itself subjectively and being unreexamined for centuries among its own adherents and others. It claims a lot for itself but a tree is known by its fruits.

There is no provable veracity of its fundamental claims wrt to its efficacy, indispensability or even superior cosmological understanding, just fideistic assertion. We see only dogmas, hubris instead of transcending depth and to think that true Spirituality can exist in the same breath as murder, force, slavery, insidiousness, plunder, intolerance and other perversions against the very grains of the Golden Rule of Man! All its compulsory observances(pillars of their faith) are exoteric, not esoteric(transcending) and are designed to enable power and influence to their clerics. Only in their own delusion is there such a thing as 'holy war' which is per se an oxymoronic term as with their other assertions.

Posted by Duh! 2006-09-04 07:48|| 2006-09-04 07:48|| Front Page Top

#7 this is a holy war.

I'd take exception to that. It is a war of entry to the Modern (AngloAmerican) World. Such wars have been fought for the last two hundred years. That our primary opponents at the moment are Islamists is coincidence but it had to happen sooner or later. Previously we have fought Germany, Japan, and Russia among many others unwilling to enter the modern world and intent upon using its tools to secure pre-modern cultures. These were not wars against Catholicism, Shintoism or Orthodoxy, though the religious background may have influenced the way they fought as Islam influences the way Muslims fight.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-09-04 08:02|| 2006-09-04 08:02|| Front Page Top

#8 I immediately assumed that the term referred to Islamic people who were also fascist - like "Skinhead Fascists". But not everyone with a shaved noggin is assumed to be a fascist.

But SS7704 makes a good point - those that object to the term are either fellow travellers or PC simpletons.

Posted by Bobby 2006-09-04 08:06|| 2006-09-04 08:06|| Front Page Top

#9 "linking Islam with a pejorative term such as fascism is extremely unfair. In fact, it is a form of racism".

But of course, referring to evangelical Christians as 'The Christian Right" and Catholic-bashing is acceptable.

Referring to Islamism as Islamofascism is nothing more than calling a Spade ... well ...

Posted by doc 2006-09-04 09:02|| 2006-09-04 09:02|| Front Page Top

#10 I think the term "racism" has entered the same category of "chicken."

When you get right down to it, everything tastes kinda like chicken.

When you get right down to it, everything's racist.

Posted by Fred 2006-09-04 10:23|| 2006-09-04 10:23|| Front Page Top

#11 It noted with disapproval a recent comment made on National Public Radio that "linking Islam with a pejorative term such as fascism is extremely unfair.

No surprise really, that NPR and its Leftist Fellow Travelers would hurl the "racist" accusation. Seeing as how they cannot tell the difference between ideology and racism.

#9, bashing Whites, Christians, Jews and anything /anyone else that is Western is perfectly reasonable these days, where have you been. (/sarcasm)

#5, Islam is nowhere near being a bona fide religion! Mo' cobbled Islam together from bits-and-pieces of Judaism and Christianity along with a host of things from other belief systems, then added a generous helping of his own twisted beliefs.

No better way to accumulate wealth, justify your means and control the ignorant masses, than to have your own religion. Masses which to this day are still mostly ignorant and uneducated. The Muslims living in the West understand what their purpose is, that is to be the advance party for colonizing us and undermining our society. This is how Islam has always spread itself. All of their actions and shenanigans are directed towards that goal.

Eventually, the Western world will be forced to kill most, if not all Muslims. Those that do survive will be quarantined in their own countries. Twice the Western world embarked on that task (Crusades) and twice it lost heart, we cannot afford to lose heart again. Islam must be extinguished.

Posted by Texas Redneck 2006-09-04 10:32|| 2006-09-04 10:32|| Front Page Top

#12 Hear! Hear! Texas Redneck. Too bad many, many in the west will be dead before it's all over though. It's my belief we'll get hit very hard multiple times before a bag of hammers gets dropped on Islam.
But it is simply a matter of time, the Iranian bomb is coming as sure as the sun rises in the east. Islam is on the campaign of its own extinction even if it doesn't appear that way yet.

Posted by JerseyMike 2006-09-04 10:45|| 2006-09-04 10:45|| Front Page Top

#13 Bravo Zulu to the Wash Times for putting it out there. The Pres needs to get some balls and keep saying it. It's the only way people will take notice. Yep, the tree is surely known by its fruits.

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-09-04 11:16|| 2006-09-04 11:16|| Front Page Top

#14 this is a holy war

I'd take exception to that. It is a war of entry to the Modern (AngloAmerican) World.

I dunno NS. I tend to disagree. It's a war between non-Islam and Islam. Not Islam and the Modern West. We aren't the only one's being attacked by this plague, Those poor non believers in Sudan have been killed by the muzzies for 50 years to the tune of millions. Ethiopia has just been taken over be radical Islamists. Those school children in Beslan were hardly Western but the muzzies still decided to kill them. There are lots more non-Western examples (Asia, India etc.)

Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2006-09-04 12:14|| 2006-09-04 12:14|| Front Page Top

#15 Islam's history of conversion by conquest makes it difficult to distinguish these situations. But I'd say the Darfur situation and the others you mention much closer to the classic 7th century conquest. When the conquest was over the religion had changed but not the culture. Turkey, Arabia, India, Indonesia all have a variety of cultures.

What's going on with us is different. We threaten their culture as we threaten the culture of every country in the world. We could all convert tomorrow to some American version of Islam, sort of like the American version of Christianity, and we would remain a threat to their culture; they would still have to destroy us to preserve their 7th century culture.

Islamofascism is a good term because it does blend both the religious and cultural realms of the conflict into one term. It recognizes that we are trying to destroy the fascism part of the term. It is not our intent to destroy Islam and we will not do so, any more than that they will destroy America. But we are going to learn to live together, even if only because there are a lot fewer of them in the future.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-09-04 12:29|| 2006-09-04 12:29|| Front Page Top

#16 Good points NS. These words from Churchill are as poignant now as they were in 1899:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute propertyeither as a child, a wife, or a concubinemust delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of sciencethe science against which it had vainly struggledthe civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2006-09-04 12:48|| 2006-09-04 12:48|| Front Page Top

#17 Radicalizing Islamic societies/ruling classes: 1) suppress individual freedoms
2) are anti-intellectual
3) glorify and wish to recapture "past greatness"
4) create an enemy out of an exaggerated caricature of a real geo-political rival(s)

Bring 'em together, and it is fair to call it fascism. It's one possible fascist combo. Fascist combos will vary from time to time and state to state. 30's Italy and Germany displayed different fascist concoctions, the various ingredients proportioned to best consolidate and maintain power over [your populace here].

"Fascist" isn't the only way to describe 30's Germany or Italy or Spain or whomever. But it works, as a description, as long as we can all agree on some shared context.

And that's why coining "Islamofascism" is a bad, bad move. Because the people who so heavily influence our shared context, the media, can deal so easily with "fascism." They can rely on the sloppy, unchallenged equation "fascism = nazism", and then cry foul because "you can't call people Nazis! It's mean and overbearing!"

They can dismiss White House statements by saying, "you don't have a real argument, so you are grabbing 'Nazism' and throwing it around at your enemies indiscriminately. Scare tactic!"

(...and yeah, then the whole "is this conflict religious or is it not" argument, which is very eloquently engaged in this thread's comments.)

Unfortunately, I just don't see the kind of channels for public discourse where a term like Islamofascism can be unpacked and held up against the light of history. It's too fragile, and too easily wrangled away into something else.

But it's snappy! Shit's gotta pop! Rolls right off the tongue, in a way that "totalitarianism" does not. Is this just Soundbite Disease, the need to describe complicated phenomena with five syllables?

I would so much rather hear the opponents of radical Islam fire relentlessly on political totalitarianism, treatment of women, intellectual corruption, non-stewardship of the environment, etc. etc. All those concrete issues that are both understandable to any living human, and also in the MSM's wheelhouse. Let them swing at those pitches.

Posted by Vegas Matt 2006-09-04 13:10|| 2006-09-04 13:10|| Front Page Top

#18 And fall they will unless and until they collect the necessary balls to make their stand.

Posted by wxjames 2006-09-04 13:15|| 2006-09-04 13:15|| Front Page Top

#19 Nimble S: "It is not our intent to destroy Islam and we will not do so, any more than that they will destroy America. "

It's however their stipulated calling, their doctrine, to have to destroy what they have termed, "The Great Satan". I-slam does not reciprocate on the basis in accordance to the Golden Rule as, "Do unto others as you would others do unto you." They're just waiting for time and the demographic war gain plus the power boost of the black goo from the ground.

What the US can do is to institute that every US citizen must be subjected to the very word of the US Constitution, namely freedom of religion. Therefore muzzie cirizens are not be bounded by their anti-apotasy law as citizens. Watch the self destruct implosion.

Posted by Duh! 2006-09-04 13:18|| 2006-09-04 13:18|| Front Page Top

#20 They're just waiting for time and the demographic war gain plus the power boost of the black goo from the ground.

That's today. Their population growth has slowed so much that (IIRC) the average Iranian will be older than the average American by 2030 or 2040. The more women become educated, the fewer children they have.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-09-04 13:31|| 2006-09-04 13:31|| Front Page Top

#21 That the Muslims living in the western world are taking offense at the term Islamofacism is both troubling and revealing. Accepting this distinction was an out that the term provided for them - a chance to say that the fanatics do not represent them - that they are indeed a religion of peace.

Their choice to reject this out and instead consider it an insult to their honor has very serious consequences in this war. It means we have no way of separating the average Muslim living among us from the Islamofacist. I sadly predict that pogroms will be a direct result from their refusal to allow this distinction to be made. It simply a fact that the concept of converting by the sword and western freedom can not peacefully coexist.

Very well written, Shush Sholuth7794

It's a war between non-Islam and Islam. Not Islam and the Modern West.

While I often refer to Islams campaign against the Western world, this is only for ready reference. Jihadism actually goes well beyond even what you posit, Intrinsicpilot. Both non-Muslim and Muslim alike are threatened by jihadism. Be it through tacit, covert or overt support, Muslims have effectively thrown their lot in with their jihadist factions. As noted above by SS7794, they have rejected even the most basic tool whereby outsiders and Muslims might distinguish between the violent and non-violent sects of Islam.

It has been frequently argued here how Islam is not the monolithic entity that Westerners often view it as. These latest developments, combined with an enduring and conspicuously thundering silence from Islam regarding the condemnation of terrorism are changing that. In a feat of monumental hubris and phenomenal prestidigitation, Islam has somehow thrust upon the West its own duty to purge violent jihadists from their ranks. It is almost laughable how we are expected to approach this burdensome and dangerous chore with the utmost delicacy. Where is it written that the winnowing of these ultra-violent Islamic psychotics should be conducted with aplomb and finesse? If Islam abdicates its right to conduct this duty as it sees fit, then we must do it in our own fashion, at the time of our own choosing. In reality, Islam has conducted this duty as it sees fit. Islam has chosen to do absolutely nothing about the abatement of jihadist terrorism.

As Muslims close ranks, they inadvertently put all of their heads in the same noose that we are preparing for their jihadist brethren. It is their own obligation to disentangle themselves from these terrorist murderers. We are under no such constraints as we rid our world of these toxic parasites. If Muslims refuse to differentiate themselves in a fashion that is discernable to the West, they shall one and all be tarred with the same brush. We are not compelled to embrace Islamic culture so as to daintily segregate their wrongdoers. We are solely responsible for saving ourselves from a virulent psychotic meme whose genocidal disposition makes it a threat to all, Westerner and Muslim alike.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-04 15:11|| 2006-09-04 15:11|| Front Page Top

#22 I tend to agree with Zenster's perspective. The onus of reponsibility to bear is wholely on their side of the court. This cannot be fudged without self-deception.

Posted by Duh! 2006-09-04 15:39|| 2006-09-04 15:39|| Front Page Top

#23 The onus of reponsibility to bear is wholely on their side of the court. This cannot be fudged without self-deception.

Well, Duh! (Sorry, just had to for once.)

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-04 16:50|| 2006-09-04 16:50|| Front Page Top

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