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2006-09-02 India-Pakistan
Government buries Bugti
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Posted by Fred 2006-09-02 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11131 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 sealed by two Chinese-made locks contained Bugti's body.

Okay?
Posted by 6 2006-09-02 03:32||   2006-09-02 03:32|| Front Page Top

#2 I thought they were going to skewer him with a long black pin and stick him a really big cork-lined cigar box.
Posted by Zenster 2006-09-02 07:16||   2006-09-02 07:16|| Front Page Top

#3  saying "it is illegal to show his face".
..Such as it is.

Mike
Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2006-09-02 09:21||   2006-09-02 09:21|| Front Page Top

#4 Man, these guys are real killjoys. The tribe didn't even get a caveswarm.
Posted by flyover 2006-09-02 09:25||   2006-09-02 09:25|| Front Page Top

#5 
"it is illegal to show his face".

“A plywood box sealed by two Chinese-made locks contained Bugatti's body"


Its really quite simple according to the ole Baloch Sharia Law sub-section 'Cave Etiquette' [any 3 room hole with a small parlor]:

To Wit: If a any Baloch Bugti face is squashed like a Bug then any extended tribal member may refuse to lose theirs by showing not the squashed one.

peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old

and peace be upon thee.


Posted by Trenchant Gas 2006-09-02 12:29||   2006-09-02 12:29|| Front Page Top

#6 Humm... strange customs indeed. But who am I to argue?
Posted by 6 2006-09-02 13:18||   2006-09-02 13:18|| Front Page Top

#7 In Baluchistan, the Pakistani Army is directly subverting the traditional rule of the tribal chiefs.
In Waziristan, it is being done by their proxies - the Taliban. Talibs are killing the tribal leaders at will now.

Both are for the same reason... the tribal chiefs will be far more accomodating to American and western armed forces hunting Taliban.

By replacing the tribal chiefs with mullahs, the ISI hopes to keep control over the regions and limit American activities.

It is essential for Pakistan to keep their jihad infrastruture intact and maintain the wars they fight in Afghanistan and Indian Kashmir.
Posted by john 2006-09-02 16:00||   2006-09-02 16:00|| Front Page Top

#8 Remember Nawab Bugti's comtemptuous dismissal of jihad - "Waht use have I for a God that needs me to fight his battles"

I'll wager that if he was running Balochistan, he would have allowed US bases for attacks on Taliban positions.
Posted by john 2006-09-02 16:02||   2006-09-02 16:02|| Front Page Top

#9 that's depressing, John. Past Perv's imminent step-down is there any constraint on ISI power in sight?
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-09-02 16:51||   2006-09-02 16:51|| Front Page Top

#10 There may be another General or even a civilian figurehead but the power of the Pak army and its ISI will remain intact. They are absolutely ruthless.
Posted by john 2006-09-02 16:54||   2006-09-02 16:54|| Front Page Top

#11 In Baluchistan, the Pakistani Army is directly subverting the traditional rule of the tribal chiefs.
In Waziristan, it is being done by their proxies - the Taliban. Talibs are killing the tribal leaders at will now.

Both are for the same reason... the tribal chiefs will be far more accomodating to American and western armed forces hunting Taliban.

By replacing the tribal chiefs with mullahs, the ISI hopes to keep control over the regions and limit American activities.

It is essential for Pakistan to keep their jihad infrastruture intact and maintain the wars they fight in Afghanistan and Indian Kashmir.

So in short, we're sitting around making snarky statements about a massive victory for the guys who did 9/11 and a massive defeat for us?
Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2006-09-02 17:04||   2006-09-02 17:04|| Front Page Top

#12 From a B Raman article...

"...two months ago, the Pakistan Army reached a ceasefire agreement with the remnants of the Al Qaeda and the Taliban in North Waziristan. Under this agreement, the jihadis and their local tribal supporters agreed to suspend their operations against the Pakistani security forces. In return, the latter agreed not to interfere with their raids into Afghanistan. This ceasefire agreement enabled the Pakistan Army to shift its forces, helicopters and communication equipment to Balochistan..."

Posted by john 2006-09-02 17:28||   2006-09-02 17:28|| Front Page Top

#13 From an AKI article
"'TALIBAN' CALLS THE SHOTS IN TWO WAZIRISTANS "

A conditional ceasefire agreement was reached in June and was extended last Friday until December 2006 with the government agreeing to the demand for the release of 10 pro-Taliban militants and the reduction of the Pakistan Army presence in the tribal belt to just three ares.

Both North Waziristan and South Waziristan appear to have now begun to develop a new system to administer the tribal agency where politicians, tribal elders and clerics are in the forefront and pro-taliban militants, also known as Pakistani Taliban, appear to be in the backbenches, but are actually in charge of the situation.

"Now Mujahadeen (Pakistani Taliban), Ulemas (clerics) and the Mishran (tribal elders) are at one forum and are aiming to develop an indigenous system to run the region without the intervention of the Pakistan Army,” Mehmoodul Hasan told Adnkronos International (AKI).

According to local sources, the gathering which has been called the largest-ever in the history of both North and South Waziristan, is part of a strategy to counter any moves by US-led coalitions forces to target the two Waziristans in fresh attacks as part of their war on terror.
Posted by john 2006-09-02 17:33||   2006-09-02 17:33|| Front Page Top

#14 I can only hope that Bugti's death emboldens the ISI in a similar fashion to the way Nasrallah and Hezbollah recently rushed the gate. It would be rather nice to see them make some sort of dog's breakfast out of things and draw an actinic spotlight upon themselves for once.

We need to wait for some mass-gathering of the ISI and lob in a few cruise missiles. They rival the Saudis for top spot as our most two-faced "ally".
Posted by Zenster 2006-09-02 17:47||   2006-09-02 17:47|| Front Page Top

#15 So in short, we're sitting around making snarky statements about a massive victory for the guys who did 9/11 and a massive defeat for us?

That's what I'm begining to think Jeeez.

/sound of scales dropping...
Posted by 6 2006-09-02 18:01||   2006-09-02 18:01|| Front Page Top

#16 From an Atimes article

He's 80 years old, but Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti, a feudal lord in Pakistan's rugged Baluchistan province, wants to fight to the death. A Kalashnikov rifle strapped to his back, Bugti travels by camel through desert ravines and hobbles up cliffs to hidden caves where he plots ways for his Baluch tribesmen to ambush the Pakistani army. "It's better to die—as the Americans say—with your spurs on," says Bugti. "Instead of a slow death in bed, I'd rather death come to me while I'm fighting for a purpose."

Bugti symbolizes Baluchistan's character. He says he killed his first man when he was just 12, and his life ever since has been a series of unending blood feuds with other clans and with the Pakistani military. Bugti sees himself as a warrior fighting a noble cause. He is self-taught and an avid reader—until March, the library in his rambling, earthen castle was lined with hundreds of books on philosophy, Western and oriental religions and the European classics. Then the castle, and the library with it, were destroyed by army cannon fire. Bugti is a vegetarian, a rarity among the meat-chomping Baluch, and sups every night on a bowl of green chili peppers, according to a frequent guest.


Unlike the Taliban and al-Qaeda operating further north along the mountainous Afghan border region, however, the Baluch are not Islamist militants. "They are secular and anti-Taliban," says Samina Ahmed of the International Crisis Group, "yet American guns are being used against them." (Bugti says he's an agnostic, and some clan leaders espouse socialist values and enjoy whisky.) Baluch sources say that U.S. surveillance aircraft and Cobra gunships have targeted tribesmen. The State Department official says, "We've seen no evidence that our equipment has been used to violate human rights."
Posted by john 2006-09-02 19:24||   2006-09-02 19:24|| Front Page Top

#17 his life ever since has been a series of unending blood feuds with other clans

john, while I'm not going to dispute the immediate usefulness that Bugti's anti-ISI role might have served, have you considered that tribalism, in and of itself, is one of the main contributors to much of the problems we are facing today?

Yes, Islam is still a (if not the) main concern, but the xenophobic nature of Arab tribalism, like that of Pakistan, remains one of the chief incubators of Muslim backwardness. A prime example is the Pashtoon men, for fear of prying eyes, leaving their women to freeze to death sooner than bring them down to the lowlands when fetching earthquake aid.

Like the Arabs, we must eventually overcome the shortsighted mentality of, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." A lesson that should have been etched into our collective mind by that, now infamous mujhadeen, Osama bin Laden.
Posted by Zenster 2006-09-02 20:40||   2006-09-02 20:40|| Front Page Top

#18 I agree that tribalism contributes to the problem.
Often it is romanticised in the media instead of being exposed for the sheer backwardness that it is.

However, I would prefer Balochi backwardness to that of Osama.
The Bugti clan doesn't have an ideology that would lead them into a war against the west or other cultures. They're basically fighting over resources.

Contrast them to the sauve, urban, clean shaven ISI officers who would have drinks in the officer club with western officers. The very opposite of primitive backwardness. Wives and daughters in the latest western fashions, shopping trips to the UK and the USA perhaps, educated in private schools.

Yet who represents a threat to the west?
The Marri tribal who wants some cash or the ISI man who plans nuclear jihad ?
Posted by john 2006-09-02 21:55||   2006-09-02 21:55|| Front Page Top

#19  I agree that tribalism contributes to the problem.
Often it is romanticised in the media instead of being exposed for the sheer backwardness that it is.

However, I would prefer Balochi backwardness to that of Osama.

Agreed to all of the above. Thank you for the reply.
Posted by Zenster 2006-09-02 22:25||   2006-09-02 22:25|| Front Page Top

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