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2006-04-17 Israel-Palestine-Jordan
At least 7 dead in IslamicJihad Suicide bomb in Tel Aviv
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Posted by mhw 2006-04-17 09:14|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Send 'em a message...
Posted by borgboy 2006-04-17 09:23||   2006-04-17 09:23|| Front Page Top

#2 Of course the news will read: "Israel broke their side of a temorary daylong ceasefire....in response to a Paleostinian attack ...."

I'm thinking arclight
Posted by Frank G 2006-04-17 10:07||   2006-04-17 10:07|| Front Page Top

#3 Gonna be a hot time in the West Bank...
Posted by mojo">mojo  2006-04-17 10:23||   2006-04-17 10:23|| Front Page Top

#4 How long til Iran's President praises the suicide bomber?
Posted by mhw 2006-04-17 10:36||   2006-04-17 10:36|| Front Page Top

#5 Respond with heavy artillery. Not into empty fields as the Israelis are want to do, but at night into neighborhoods where Fatah and Hamas leaders live. Level the places and work your way out.
Posted by ed 2006-04-17 10:46||   2006-04-17 10:46|| Front Page Top

#6 Targeting civilians means blowing up and mangling your mother, father and children. How would you feel? Like Israel. Just letting this happen to innocents while truncating Israel. What a disgrace Kadima is.
Posted by SamAdamsky 2006-04-17 10:50||   2006-04-17 10:50|| Front Page Top

#7 Olmert is carrying out the same policy of aggressively attacking Islamic Jihad and AAMB that Sharon did. As for the border, Likud never annexed any part of the West Bank (beyond the Jerusalem city limits) Olmert is considering EXPANDING Israel, not truncating it.
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-04-17 10:53||   2006-04-17 10:53|| Front Page Top

#8 mhw - Hamas has justified the attack as "self defence" The same Hamas that Russia is now making donations to.

And yet we will attend a G8 conf in Moscow. I can only assume that things are proceeding behind the scenes on Iran, and Russia will be supporting us. If not, the continued soft line on Russia is starting to become incomprehensible.
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-04-17 10:55||   2006-04-17 10:55|| Front Page Top

#9 Ehud Olmert's two sons are both draft dodgers who have permanently left Israel - one son lives in New York, the other one in Paris.

The same applies to the other leaders of Olmert's ruling Kadima party - most of their children have permanently abandoned Israel and now live in Europe or the United States. And the same is true for the leaders of the Marxist Labor party: for example, Labor party chairman Amir Peretz's daughter lives in London.
Posted by SamAdamsky 2006-04-17 11:11||   2006-04-17 11:11|| Front Page Top

#10 LH - it's worth sending somebody to the G* just to keep an eye on 'em, make sure they don't give away the store while we're not looking.

Leave us remember how the "police action" in Korea got authorized.
Posted by mojo">mojo  2006-04-17 12:10||   2006-04-17 12:10|| Front Page Top

#11 I dont follow personal attacks on Israeli polticial leaders, esp on their children. Go play at INN.

Calling the marginally social democratic ILP "marxist" just shows where youre coming from.
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-04-17 12:12||   2006-04-17 12:12|| Front Page Top

#12 mojo

The G8, unlike the UNSC, is NOT a legal body, its just a relatively formal summit meeting.
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-04-17 12:13||   2006-04-17 12:13|| Front Page Top

#13 LH-

Russia is surely very conflicted on this. They have their own problems with Muslims in Chechnya. They want good relationships with the Muslim world because it brings them prestige and power (Putin represented Russia at the Org of Islamic States last meeting). They also don't mind high oil and Natgas prices since they are an exporting nation. Lastly, they want to seem to be a civilized player in what they see as the big four (with themselves as a fourth). They will, no doubt, make some anti suicide bomber noises. What I'm looking for is whether they then start to delay implementing their funding commitments to the PA. We won't know about this for a few months.
Posted by mhw 2006-04-17 12:13||   2006-04-17 12:13|| Front Page Top

#14 "They have their own problems with Muslims in Chechnya."

all the more reason this is hypocritical.

"They want good relationships with the Muslim world because it brings them prestige and power "

So does Britain and France. Esp France. Yet France has so far kept to the boycott.

"(Putin represented Russia at the Org of Islamic States last meeting). They also don't mind high oil and Natgas prices since they are an exporting nation."

Boycotting Hamas is hardly likely to reduce the price of oil.

" Lastly, they want to seem to be a civilized player in what they see as the big four (with themselves as a fourth). They will, no doubt, make some anti suicide bomber noises. What I'm looking for is whether they then start to delay implementing their funding commitments to the PA. We won't know about this for a few months"

They SHOULD immediately reverse their donations. making a promise and then delaying the delivery is good enough for KSA, or Qatar. Russia isnt an arab state, it pretends to be a member of the quartet, and a mediator. Even the symbolism of offering support was undermining to what the west was trying to do.

I continue to be baffled by the folks who pour scorn on Europe, but make excuses for Putin.
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-04-17 12:18||   2006-04-17 12:18|| Front Page Top

#15 "They have their own problems with Muslims in Chechnya."

all the more reason this is hypocritical.

"They want good relationships with the Muslim world because it brings them prestige and power "

So does Britain and France. Esp France. Yet France has so far kept to the boycott.

"(Putin represented Russia at the Org of Islamic States last meeting). They also don't mind high oil and Natgas prices since they are an exporting nation."

Boycotting Hamas is hardly likely to reduce the price of oil.

" Lastly, they want to seem to be a civilized player in what they see as the big four (with themselves as a fourth). They will, no doubt, make some anti suicide bomber noises. What I'm looking for is whether they then start to delay implementing their funding commitments to the PA. We won't know about this for a few months"

They SHOULD immediately reverse their donations. making a promise and then delaying the delivery is good enough for KSA, or Qatar. Russia isnt an arab state, it pretends to be a member of the quartet, and a mediator. Even the symbolism of offering support was undermining to what the west was trying to do.

I continue to be baffled by the folks who pour scorn on Europe, but make excuses for Putin.
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-04-17 12:18||   2006-04-17 12:18|| Front Page Top

#16 Well you see LH Europe was suppose to be are allies, but are not Americans hate traitors. Putin is Russian we expect bad behavior. It is not fair, but that how it works
Posted by djohn66 2006-04-17 12:25||   2006-04-17 12:25|| Front Page Top

#17 Here's a theory: the Israel-Palestine conflict (and the wars it generates) raises the price of oil.

Russia is an oil exporting nation.

Fueling war and destruction in the region ultimately raises the price of oil and damages its competitors.

This explains funding Hamas.

This explains selling nuclear bombs to Iran.

After Iran and Israel finish nuking each other (and the Saudi oilfields get caught in the crossfire) Russia will be in a position to make serious money.
Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2006-04-17 12:25||   2006-04-17 12:25|| Front Page Top

#18 Since Hamas has signed off on this then surely the Paleo electorate is simply bursting with pride.
Posted by Chailing Glomong4348 2006-04-17 12:55||   2006-04-17 12:55|| Front Page Top

#19 The french and russians are members of Nato, they are obliged under that alliance to join us in repelling an attack on our territory in North America, as we are when their territory in Europe is attacked. They are NOT obliged under the treaty to join us in an attack on country that we consider a potential future threat, however justified we may be. Nonetheless several Euro countries DID join us in Iraq. Some did not, just as we did not join Britain and France in attacking Nasser in 1956, but in fact applied pressure on them to make a deal with Nasser.

Russia, OTOH, received loans from us in the 1990's and major diplomatic deference, including membership in the G8 that they really arent qualified for. While the EU works with us on Iran, the Russians undermine us. The EU works with us on Hamas, the Russians undermine us. The Russians support dictatorship in Belarus, undermine democracy in Ukraine and Georgia, and along with their Chinese friends attempt to protect genocide in Sudan.

Posted by liberalhawk 2006-04-17 13:08||   2006-04-17 13:08|| Front Page Top

#20 Interesting theory, Mr. Snowman. Certainly, any hint of instability in the Mid East affects the price of oil -- the current jumps are being explained as concern about the situation with Iran. And Russia benefits from the situation short term, even without actual mayhem ensuing. In the queerly laissez-faire oligarchy that Russia is at the moment, perhaps that suffices, without looking further down the road to the result of their little fiddlings.

And always they, like France and Germany, depend on the US to protect them from the consequences of their selfish behaviour.
Posted by trailing wife 2006-04-17 13:19||   2006-04-17 13:19|| Front Page Top

#21 Russia's a member of NATO?

I can't do that british quiz show chick voice, but... Is that your final answer?
Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2006-04-17 13:20||   2006-04-17 13:20|| Front Page Top

#22 No, I didnt say they were.
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-04-17 13:30||   2006-04-17 13:30|| Front Page Top

#23 Well actually you did say that the russians are members of NATO but I took it as a mistake.,
Denying that you typed it when it is sitting right there in front of you is strange.
Posted by jim#6 2006-04-17 13:36||   2006-04-17 13:36|| Front Page Top

#24 

LH,

#19,
"The french and russians are members of Nato"

I think that you meant Germans, of course.
Posted by Ernest Brown 2006-04-17 13:40|| saturninretrograde.blogspot.com]">[saturninretrograde.blogspot.com]  2006-04-17 13:40|| Front Page Top

#25 d'uh.

EB is correct, I meant French and Germans, of course. I didnt even look back to my post, I assumed the Russian mention was taken from my long discussion of the Russians. Thanks EB, for reading in context, and using context to figure out the typo.

Posted by liberalhawk 2006-04-17 13:42||   2006-04-17 13:42|| Front Page Top

#26 As Gary Larson once said, Dyslexics of the world... untie!
Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2006-04-17 13:53||   2006-04-17 13:53|| Front Page Top

#27 If Israel can't bring itself to cut off water/and-or/electricity to the Palos after infinite acts like this - why oh why - would the Iranians ever believe that Israel has the guts to respond in kind to a nuke attack.

Israel looks weak with its limited responses.
Posted by 3dc 2006-04-17 14:59||   2006-04-17 14:59|| Front Page Top

#28 I view Russia like a prostitute, they will sell themselves to the highest bidder and make deals that will eventually make them more money. To Russia its show me the money, even tho they give it away they expect it to return somewhere else.
Posted by djohn66 2006-04-17 15:02||   2006-04-17 15:02|| Front Page Top

#29 Ironic when you remember what Lenin said about capitalist rope salesmen.
Posted by SR-71">SR-71  2006-04-17 15:18||   2006-04-17 15:18|| Front Page Top

#30 LH. You're dead on about Europe and Russia. I am not a big fan of Europe(Esp. France)but, they are better allies than Russia. No contest.
Posted by Mike N. 2006-04-17 15:44||   2006-04-17 15:44|| Front Page Top

#31 As I predicted (comment 13 above), Russia has issued a standard anti suicide bomber statement.

We'll see about the aid thing.
Posted by mhw 2006-04-17 16:03||   2006-04-17 16:03|| Front Page Top

#32 AS: Here's a theory: the Israel-Palestine conflict (and the wars it generates) raises the price of oil.

Here's another theory - Russia has the problem of Iran becoming a big power, and therefore a geopolitical threat to its south. So it arms Iran, fully expecting that Uncle Sam will take care of its problem, simultaneously weakening Iran and reducing Uncle Sam's appetite for overseas adventures. This is what the Soviets did with respect to Germany before WWII - and they were right in one respect - Germany attacked Western Europe first - unfortunately, they rolled right over Western Europe and turned their attention to the Soviet Union. In the current situation, it's not likely that Iran will defeat the US. So the only risk to Russia is if the US doesn't do anything. But the Russians probably think the risk of American inaction is negligible. And they're probably right.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2006-04-17 18:26|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2006-04-17 18:26|| Front Page Top

#33 Following the logic of the Middle East, Israel should attack the bombers home town with an artillery barrage, then blame France and Russia for it.
Posted by Anonymoose 2006-04-17 19:29||   2006-04-17 19:29|| Front Page Top

#34 Line up a few battalions of 155mm arty and let the Queen of Battle speak her piece.
Posted by Brett 2006-04-17 20:10||   2006-04-17 20:10|| Front Page Top

#35 Wait for the Hamas "government" to convene and 'cap them all at once. The Palestinians can have as many "democratic" elections as they like. They just can't have lasting terrorist governments.
Posted by Angolurong Snock7994 2006-04-17 20:18||   2006-04-17 20:18|| Front Page Top

#36 Angolurong Snock7994 = Zenster
Posted by Angolurong Snock7994 2006-04-17 20:18||   2006-04-17 20:18|| Front Page Top

#37 are you snok-ing us again zen?

Uloluper Crang5354 = RD
Posted by Uloluper Crang5354 2006-04-17 21:21||   2006-04-17 21:21|| Front Page Top

#38 I like the way you think, Zen.
Posted by Scooter McGruder 2006-04-17 21:22||   2006-04-17 21:22|| Front Page Top

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