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2006-03-16 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Dan Darling 2006-03-16 01:10|| || Front Page|| [11139 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "idealistic about goals and realistic about means." Support for Iraq federalism rather than centralism is an example of realism. Could happen if the al-Sadr shakedown is squelched.

Posted by Listen To Dogs 2006-03-16 07:10|| 2006-03-16 07:10|| Front Page Top

#2 Pre-emptive war works as long as you pick on a country that doesnt have the means to repel your offensive.

Posted by Bystander 2006-03-16 10:32|| 2006-03-16 10:32|| Front Page Top

#3 hey thanks for the stategery Bystander! LOL!

Posted by RD 2006-03-16 11:27|| 2006-03-16 11:27|| Front Page Top

#4 No problem, You think Bush would do a pre-emptive strike on any country with the means to
strike the U.S. with nuclear weapons?

Posted by Bystander 2006-03-16 11:47|| 2006-03-16 11:47|| Front Page Top

#5 "Whatever you do, you need courage. Whatever course you decide upon, there is always someone to tell you that you are wrong. There are always difficulties arising that tempt you to believe your critics are right. To map out a course of action and follow it to an end requires some of the same courage that a soldier needs. Peace has its victories, but it takes brave men and women to win them."
-- -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Posted by bgrebel 2006-03-16 12:21|| 2006-03-16 12:21|| Front Page Top

#6 That is why you hit them BEFORE they get the functional nuclear weapons, along with the tested delivery systems. MAD or Mutually Assured Destruction is a deterrent when you faced essential rational individuals, not when you face psychopaths looking to a reward in an afterlife. That is why you remove their ability to assure your destruction before it comes completely online.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2006-03-16 13:00|| 2006-03-16 13:00|| Front Page Top

#7 Bystander is Just Curious/Left Angle/Cassini, etc.

Posted by Pappy 2006-03-16 13:17|| 2006-03-16 13:17|| Front Page Top

#8 Bystander is Just Curious/Left Angle/Cassini, etc.

Multiple personality disorder, so sad..

Posted by Steve">Steve 2006-03-16 13:25|| 2006-03-16 13:25|| Front Page Top

#9 Like I said, pre-emptive war works only on countries that cant defend themselves. With the results of U.S. Pre-War Intelligence on Iraq's WMD'S, I would be very hestitant to start a pre-emptive war based on it. It would be utterly foolish to do so. A maybe they do, maybe they dont intelligence report could reap disasterous results, particulary dealing with a nation developing Nuclear capabilities.

Posted by Bystander 2006-03-16 13:34|| 2006-03-16 13:34|| Front Page Top

#10 What is utterly foolish is to pontificate while a clear and present danger emerges.

Why, such a clear dereliction of duty would be grounds for impeachment.

Everything changes, evolves, demands reassessment, demands those entrusted with the security of the nation fulfill their duty to preserve, protect, and defend the nation. Strategies to accomplish that end must evolve in synch. Pre-emption is an example which has emerged in response to the changing reality and is, apparently, beyond your capacity to fathom.

What I can't figure out why you're still allowed on this site.

Posted by Glert Thetch2165 2006-03-16 13:54|| 2006-03-16 13:54|| Front Page Top

#11 Where are the Iraqi WMD's Bush KNEW they had?
Iraq is a f**king mess and you on the right give Bush a free pass on his blunder. The strategy of pre-emptive war is not how the U.S. has dealt with security issues in the past and if Iraq is an example, it damn sure shoudnt be how we deal with it the future.

Posted by Bystander 2006-03-16 14:17|| 2006-03-16 14:17|| Front Page Top

#12 Glen Thetch:

One more thing. President Bush is a cowardly, fake-macho bully. He only picks on nations he KNOWS that cant defend themselves like Iraq.
I dare him to do a pre-emptive strike on the likes of Iran or N. Korea. Lets see how his "cowboy" bs works then..lmao

Posted by Bystander 2006-03-16 14:25|| 2006-03-16 14:25|| Front Page Top

#13 You're really feeling threatened, LOL. Son, your grasp of reality is non-existent. Now putter along to your next therapy session.

Posted by Glert Thetch2165 2006-03-16 14:44|| 2006-03-16 14:44|| Front Page Top

#14 Glen Thetch:

No, sir I see reality just fine. I call em just like I see em. I'm not among the "brainwashed true believers" (Bushwackers) such as yourself.
Preemptive strikes work only partially against nations that cant defend themselves.
Apparently, the majority of the American people
are starting to understand this too. Looked at Bush's poll numbers on Iraq lately?

How much you want to bet that President Bush does or doesnt launch an pre-emptive strike against Iran or N. Korea? He wont do it because he knows these nations can defend themselves and wont back down to his threats. In essense he is as most Republicans are: cowards/bullies. lmao

Posted by Bystander 2006-03-16 15:11|| 2006-03-16 15:11|| Front Page Top

#15 I look forward to Bystander's thinking (under whatever name it favours at the time to evade Fred's security measures) once it's had time to digest the Saddam papers being released by Negroponte's people. This does presume that it starts to think at that point, of course. Perhpas Bystander should consider a course of Arabic studies, so it can do its own translating, instead of relying on those employed by the government... which would also give it something productive to do for a couple of years.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-03-16 15:30|| 2006-03-16 15:30|| Front Page Top

#16 LOL, TW. Too much tinfoil, Icke, Jones, Chomsky, and Kool Aid - I doubt it can become a useful idiot, not to mention a rational or productive citizen. The desire to glow in the dark is strong with this one, LOL.

And if they need to block all IP's coming out of BC (isn't that where this particular moron's mossy rock is located?), well, them's the breaks.

Posted by Glert Thetch2165 2006-03-16 15:36|| 2006-03-16 15:36|| Front Page Top

#17 Ms. Trailing Wife:

apparently you have a reading comprehension problem. I speak in very simple terms so that the things I say are very easy to digest.

So let me say these things again to you in the simplest of terms so that maybe, just maybe you will understand where I'm coming from.

I am not a supporter of President Bush.

I believe that he is a total incompetent who makes bad decisions that cause of more problems than they solve.

I think the Iraq war was and is a tremendous blunder that will do absolutely nothing to stop future terrorist attacks to the U.S.

I think that his strategies of spreading democracy to the middle east and pre-emptive
war simply will not work.

I beleive that efforts of the Bush administration to tie Al Qaeda with Hussien
and the events of 9-11 are total bs that have
been disproven.

I think the War with Iraq is a total waste of time, money and american military lives.

see how easy that is? Even an airhead such as yourself should be able to get it.

Posted by Bystander 2006-03-16 15:42|| 2006-03-16 15:42|| Front Page Top

#18 Q.E.D.

Posted by Glert Thetch2165 2006-03-16 15:44|| 2006-03-16 15:44|| Front Page Top

#19 Mr. Glen Thetchet:

you are a genius, clearly you are..I've been reading your posting in here and clearly, clearly
you are an advanced species. I stand in awe of your brilliant analysis of political issues..
you are an exemplary example of the "intellectual firepower" in this site as Zenster says...rotflmao

Posted by Bystander 2006-03-16 15:48|| 2006-03-16 15:48|| Front Page Top

#20 Coming from you, I must say that means absolutely nothing. Who would anyone waste any thought on you?

BTW, love your "lmao" affectation. So witty and deep and, well, repetitive - thus pointless.

Posted by Glert Thetch2165 2006-03-16 16:09|| 2006-03-16 16:09|| Front Page Top

#21 By~~polar~~stander, it's not Bush who screwed up the Iraqi democracy, it's the bitter Iraqis and jealous Arabs who refuse to accept such a major gift. One would think that such a brainiak as you would already know that. It's like you're blaming the bad behavior of the junk yard dogs on Ford.
Ford may make junks, but they don't make dogs, silly bystander.

Posted by wxjames 2006-03-16 16:10|| 2006-03-16 16:10|| Front Page Top

#22 I think the Iraq war was and is a tremendous blunder that will do absolutely nothing to stop future terrorist attacks to the U.S.

Duly noted.

Posted by eLarson 2006-03-16 16:22|| http://larsonian.blogspot.com]">[http://larsonian.blogspot.com] 2006-03-16 16:22|| Front Page Top

#23 So, tell us Bystander/Just Curious/Left Angle/Cassini,or whoever you are today.

You work at National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland, or are you a patient there? That's where your IP sez you're posting from, specificly the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences.

Posted by Steve">Steve 2006-03-16 16:23|| 2006-03-16 16:23|| Front Page Top

#24 Shlemp Thatch:

pointless: exactly how I regard your comments about my comments. I have heard this same bs
you post so many times from bushwackers that it has become redundant. I could have told you what you were going to say before you even said it. waste a thought on me? You keep responding to what I'm saying because you know I'm correct.

I will say this one more time in the most basic terms because there is no need to overintellectualize it as you "geniuses" in here are wont to do.

Bush's policies of spreading democracy to the middle east and pre-emptive war strikes to ward off future domestic attacks against the U.S.
simply will not work and are doomed to failure.

The war on Iraq is a incredible blunder that is a waste of time, money and american military lives and will do absolutely nothing to prevent a future terrorist attack against the domestic U.S..

finally once again:

President Bush is a incompetent fake-macho bully, who makes incredibly bad decisions that cause far more problems than they solve. example#1 The Iraqi War.

I'm not the first person to say these things and there are millions of us that believe them to be true: we are called democrats. yeah dude, everyone on the left that believes these things is a moron. the real "morons" are the bushwakers like yourself that blindly buy into his bs propaganda and faked out version of reality...

go ahead and follow him off that cliff every thing is going just great for bush right dude?...lmao

Posted by Bystander 2006-03-16 16:40|| 2006-03-16 16:40|| Front Page Top

#25 What? I thought for sure it was some devious Karl Rove/Halliburton plot.

Damn.

I guess I need new tinfoil. My beanie's not working.

Good thing he's posting on my taxpayer dime to keep me aware of all the dastardly, nefarious Republican plots. Maybe we should contact Bethesda to let them know how much we 'preciate his taking all these breaks from work to let us know the truth?

Posted by Desert Blondie 2006-03-16 16:54|| http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]">[http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com] 2006-03-16 16:54|| Front Page Top

#26 Your BDS was never in doubt. And, BTW, where I go, you go, fool - the Pubs are in control, little one. You're a born loser and obviously too limited to change. Thus a loser you'll remain, powerless, irrelevant, always flailing away ineffectually, tilting at windmills, spewing your cute little temper tantrums, wasting your life on half-assed lunacy and half-baked conspiracies. A sucker for the idiot industry. When you're old and gray, assuming you aren't run over by a bus while throwing a fit on the centerline mewlin and sputtering in your powerless rage, you will die knowing you've been an utter fool, a tool of those who hate you and everything you cherish. You'll die as you were born - a fool, a loser. No one will notice. No one will care. No one.

LMAO!

Posted by Glert Thetch2165 2006-03-16 16:56|| 2006-03-16 16:56|| Front Page Top

#27 Blatch Therst:

So you think the republican hold on power is permanent? rotflmao

if you were half the political genius you think you are you would know that is nonsense.

Any basic novice knows that american politics happens in cycles...and eventually at some point in the near future democrats WILL regain power,
just as they did for most of the 20th century.

I dont care if what names you call me because deep in that empty rnc brainwashed skull of yours you KNOW I'm correct. you have been checkmated by a moron..who's the loser now?
GOOD NIGHT.

ROTFLMAO

Posted by Bystander 2006-03-16 17:11|| 2006-03-16 17:11|| Front Page Top

#28 RFSP.

Posted by Glert Thetch2165 2006-03-16 17:13|| 2006-03-16 17:13|| Front Page Top

#29 Whatever Bush has for a stratgery, it has got to be better than anything the Dems come up with. The only thing the Dems can think of is voting on a censure resolution on Bush in hopes it will lead to the ultimate prize of Impeachment. This, of course, has the LLL Fever Swamp masturbating uncontrollably until the grasp onto the concept of President Cheney, Frist, Rice, or Gonzales. I want to thank them for once again rallying the Republican base for what will shape up to be one hoot of an ass whooping come this November. After which of course we will hear endless stories of Republicans looking cross-eyed at potential Dem voters causing them to flee the polling place, stories of waiting in line for hours (ever hear of absentee voting?), and those damn Diebold machines operated by KBR contractors! Thank you Russ Finegold!

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2006-03-16 18:11|| 2006-03-16 18:11|| Front Page Top

#30 Poor, dear "Bystander" thinks we haven't been clear on his talking points since his first post under whatever name it was that he used in the long ago mists of time when he first discover Rantburg. How sad. How very unperceptive of him... not that it's fair to expect otherwise, poor darling.

I mean, political cycles, fergoodnessake! Little children know about taking turns even in pre-school -- but it takes a bit more intelligence or experience to realize that the turns may last minutes.... or generations. And in this country it appears that "generations" is the normal length of that sine curve. Perhaps darling whoever it is today hasn't lived long enough, or is just nearsighted.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-03-16 19:22|| 2006-03-16 19:22|| Front Page Top

#31 Looks like BiStander is nearing critical mass. I still advise using ROFLMAO instead of LMAO, it's way more sincere.

Posted by 6 2006-03-16 19:47|| 2006-03-16 19:47|| Front Page Top

#32 ROFLMAO!!!

How's that?

Posted by Glert Thetch2165 2006-03-16 19:51|| 2006-03-16 19:51|| Front Page Top

#33 *giggle*

But you go on ROF-ing, Glert, each should fit the person. ;-)

Posted by trailing wife 2006-03-16 22:40|| 2006-03-16 22:40|| Front Page Top

#34 Hey we attacked somebody today didn't we, they seem to come out when we do something positive in the WOT. :)

Posted by djohn66 2006-03-16 23:06|| 2006-03-16 23:06|| Front Page Top

#35 From Gorby to Putin, RUSSIA reserves its unilateral unconditional national right to use any and means, including military force, to protect the lives of Russian citizens and emigres' abroad, against any country. CHINA also has said the same thing, only more subtledly. Both Russia and China's [SSSHHHHHH, PRE-9-11]precepts strongly imply/infer the use of unilater[MOTHERLY]PREEMPTIVE STRIKE, so why not Clintonian Fascist = Semi-Commie/Half-A-Commie Male Brute Amerikkka!?

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-03-16 23:34|| 2006-03-16 23:34|| Front Page Top

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