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2006-02-15 International-UN-NGOs

Cartoons crisis : tunisian sez what we need is worlwide limits on freedom of expression

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Posted by anonymous5089 2006-02-15 07:26|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 develop a set of rules for the international community that put religions above politics

I stopped reading when I got to this. Everyone keep doing all they can to crank up this issue. This is the ultimate no-brainer slamdunk winner for western liberalism.

Posted by phil_b">phil_b 2006-02-15 07:56|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/] 2006-02-15 07:56|| Front Page Top

#2 "In the medium term, the most important thing to do is to develop a set of rules for the international community that put religions above politics and gives them special protection from the excesses of freedom of expression," argued Bousnina.

On 9/11 I had a shuddersome premonition: this will be a war of extermination. We will do everything we can think of doing to prevent it from becoming that, but in the end that's what it will be. Islam will give us no other choice. In the next decade, a billion people will die.

In all the time since then, nothing has reinforced that sense of inevitability like the "cartoon crisis". Not 3/11, not 7/7, not Bali, not Beslan. None of those horrors convinced me, absolutely, that this is going to be a fight to the death between their way of life and ours, one of which will be obliterated utterly.

But this does. This is a chasm that cannot be bridged, and there is no abiding the evil that Islam has become.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-02-15 08:03|| 2006-02-15 08:03|| Front Page Top

#3 Fine. Let them start by apologizing for all those anti-jooooooo articles and cartoons.

Posted by PlanetDan">PlanetDan 2006-02-15 08:12|| 2006-02-15 08:12|| Front Page Top

#4 I also think that it is Islam or us. But I hope that we will win by having most present Muslims rejecting it.

That is why the ideological battle is so important. We should be inundating Muslim countries with propaganda showing them the atrocities perpetrated in Darfur, questionning the way teh Saoudis extract huge sums of money from piss poor countries through the hadj, we should be exploiting the national rifts by presenting Islam as an instrument of alien domination and of stagnation and of couse we should be playing sunni against shia, sufi against wahabi.

Instead we do nothing to convince Muslims that Islam is evil and let Michael Moore or the Beeeb work at persuade both them and us that we are the evil guys.

And if we fail at the ideological war then there would be only one option left.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2006-02-15 08:26|| 2006-02-15 08:26|| Front Page Top

#5 Fine. Let them start by apologizing for all those anti-jooooooo articles and cartoons.

Not to mention the profanation from Nativity's Church or the preaches where Christians are presnted as eaters of human flesh and drinkers of human blood.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2006-02-15 08:28|| 2006-02-15 08:28|| Front Page Top

#6 "We should be inundating Muslim countries with propaganda showing them the atrocities perpetrated in Darfur..."

I think the Janjaweed recuitment hotline would be logjammed.

Posted by Quatermass 2006-02-15 09:03|| 2006-02-15 09:03|| Front Page Top

#7 But I hope that we will win by having most present Muslims rejecting it.

Good luck with that. Four years after 9/11, self-proclaimed "moderate Muslims" refuse to acknowledge that bin Laden was involved. When the video of him taking "credit" is brought up, the response is blather about the tape being fake.

There are moderate Muslims. Just not enough of them to make a rat's ass of difference.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2006-02-15 09:11|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-02-15 09:11|| Front Page Top

#8 "There are moderate Muslims."

That's one of the things I admire about you, RC - you're an optimist, lol.

Posted by .com 2006-02-15 09:36|| 2006-02-15 09:36|| Front Page Top

#9 A better argument is to say to this Tunisian that since Islam contributes so very little to the modern world anyway, it shouldn't bother them. Just do what their Imam tells them to do, and stop bothering to try and understand advanced concepts like reading, or anything else invented after the 9th Century.

It will just make their little heads hurt.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-02-15 09:44|| 2006-02-15 09:44|| Front Page Top

#10 "In the medium term, the most important thing to do is to develop a set of rules for the international community that put religions above politics and gives them special protection from the excesses of freedom of expression," argued Bousnina.

Question: Under such a scenario (as implausible as that is), what happens if a practitioner of some minor or offbeat religion badmouths Islam?

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2006-02-15 09:51|| 2006-02-15 09:51|| Front Page Top

#11 Somebody needs to inform these wombats that the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence are the Sacred Scriptures of all Americans. We know we can worship whatever God, religion or whatever we choose because of the protection they afford us, like a mighty protector. So when they start messing with the ideas in our Sacred Documents, they'd better expect trouble. A lot more than they can dish out.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-02-15 09:53|| 2006-02-15 09:53|| Front Page Top

#12 And if we fail at the ideological war then there would be only one option left.

You're an optimist, JFM. I've already concluded that that is the only option left.

Posted by BH 2006-02-15 10:12|| 2006-02-15 10:12|| Front Page Top

#13 That's a Moderate Muslim, right?

Posted by gromgoru 2006-02-15 10:34|| 2006-02-15 10:34|| Front Page Top

#14 "In the medium term, the most important thing to do is to develop a set of rules for the international community that put religions above politics and gives them special protection from the excesses of freedom of expression," argued Bousnina.

Paging Kofi Annan ... Kofi Annan to the main lobby, please.

As people have already noted, this one is for all the marbles. We already have a set of rules to deal with this, better known as sovereignty. Nations that properly elect their leaders and adhere to well-established rules of international conduct seem to get along just fine. Those that don't tend to get their @sses kicked and have better governments installed.

We are now confronted with a minority religion attempting to dictate the forms and means of self-expression that the rest of the world must adhere to. If this is not a crystal clear message as to what sort of oppression awaits, then it will take a nuclear terrorist attack.

Islam must be put on notice that they are sealing their doom with this intolerant spewing. Too many other countries will simply refuse to have the hands of time rolled back by several centuries. Half this world's population (women) stand at risk of enduring a genetic holocaust. All good people must rise against such a detestable notion.

Posted by Zenster 2006-02-15 11:38|| 2006-02-15 11:38|| Front Page Top

#15 Childish, simply childish.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2006-02-15 11:49|| 2006-02-15 11:49|| Front Page Top

#16 Thanks for your input, now please fuck off. Yes, Kofi, you too.

Posted by mojo">mojo 2006-02-15 12:20|| 2006-02-15 12:20|| Front Page Top

#17 BTW:
Looks like Malkin, anong others, is being DDOS'ed from the Muddle East. Big surprise.

Be a real shame if those countries' internet service got terminated for a day or so, huh? Might teach 'em who actually OWNS the fucking infrastructure...

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004535.htm

Posted by mojo">mojo 2006-02-15 12:38|| 2006-02-15 12:38|| Front Page Top

#18 I hope everyone realizes that a certain someone is reading Rantburg today, masturbating furiously, and chanting "fascists, fascists, fascists!!!"

I belong to a civilization that -- as flawed as it is, as many mistakes as it has made -- has made unparalleled contributions to humanity. I intended to defend it, particularly against those who think the proper lot of man is slavery.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2006-02-15 13:06|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-02-15 13:06|| Front Page Top

#19 We are now confronted with a minority religion

Get your facts right, Islam is not a minority religion, duh

Posted by bk 2006-02-15 14:15|| 2006-02-15 14:15|| Front Page Top

#20 BK last time I looked the MAJORITY of people in the world DO NOT follow Allan's moonbat cult.

If you're not the MAJORITY that makes you the MINORITY. Duh.

Posted by AlanC">AlanC 2006-02-15 15:04|| 2006-02-15 15:04|| Front Page Top

#21 What we need is to give Islam and Mohammand (MHRIH) what they so richly deseves:

Public Ridicule. Point and Laugh at the fools. Make jokes about the brave 'Lions of Islam' and the all-powerful Allah and his stooge Mohamand who can't even defend his own honor against some stupid cartoons.

And this just gives our cyber-defenses a workout.

Posted by CrazyFool 2006-02-15 15:17|| 2006-02-15 15:17|| Front Page Top

#22 bk, Google is your friend, try it sometime.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm

Christian - 33%
Muslim - 19.6%
Hindu - 13.4%
Non-Religious - 12.7%
Chinese Folk - 6.4%
Buddhists - 5.9%
Sikhs - 0.4%
Jews - 0.2%

Must be nice for the Islamists to know that a tiny little religion like the Jews keeps kicking their @ss up to the back of their necks whenever it wants to. Humiliation doesn't even begin to cover it.

Posted by Zenster 2006-02-15 15:26|| 2006-02-15 15:26|| Front Page Top

#23 "Last week, the OIC called for the insertion of language requiring the UN's new Human Rights Council to "prevent instances of intolerance, discrimination, incitement of hatred and violence," arising from "any actions against religions, Prophets and beliefs."

Yeah, well what if I believe in the Pig God? -- so does that count? Will my preferences be honored? Didn't think so . . .

Posted by ex-lib 2006-02-15 15:31|| 2006-02-15 15:31|| Front Page Top

#24 Jews - 0.2%
They're everywhere!

Posted by 6 2006-02-15 16:49|| 2006-02-15 16:49|| Front Page Top

#25 No surprise here - San Fracisco Supervisor MARIO SANDOVAL, on FNC's HANNITY & COLMES, had the gall to say in front of the incoming USS IOWA that America doesn't need a military, espec one that will be used for deception and to start unnecessary wars or wars for oil in the ME, and that USDOD monies should be used instead for welfare progs [i.e the Nanny State], AND THAT POLICE FORCES BE USED TO RESPOND TO ANY NEW TERROR ATTACKS. SO not only does CLINTONISM premise that mainstream Americans are pro-Socialist and pro-Communism anyways, and by definition wish to be ruled by anyone except an America, along comes Sandoval to indirectly argue lets also hire Russia-China to protect us. Yep, good Clintonians demand that the Commies take their guns, wealth, women, food, lands, Continent, jobs, etc. .............@ and pet dogs. DEEP DOWN, WE ALL KNOW AMERICANS WANNA BE SENT TO THE DEATH CAMPS ANDOR MASS SUICIDE STATIONS.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-02-15 23:22|| 2006-02-15 23:22|| Front Page Top

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