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2005-12-22 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

Iran, European Union talks result in agreement for more talks

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Posted by Fred 2005-12-22 00:00|| || Front Page|| [8 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Talk, delay, talk, delay, talk-oops, they have nukes now. Brilliant strategy we're taking, following the Euro method of solving problems. Wait until it's too late to do anything about it.

Sigh. This administration has put us all at risk by abandoning the correct approach it started with in the region and switching to the Euro method. Then again, had we stuck with our original approach, it would have been lonely company by now.

Yet there's something truly disgusting about going along with this charade when we know the consequences could easily be millions of dead people.

Posted by jules 2 2005-12-22 02:03|| 2005-12-22 02:03|| Front Page Top

#2 jules 2 - Sigh. And here we are again, for the 10 gazillionth time. C'mon, we're of the same mind, methinks... I normally enjoy your posts and hope we come to agree here. I like your analysis and insights - I wanna be pals 'n stuff, heh. You're smart and I'm too old for this shit, anymore. But, one more time, I feel I have to say this to keep us honest. Advance apologies if I offend - none is actually intended, just a "Hey, slow down!" thingy.

The presumption that what we can see being done is all that's being done is, indeed, very inviting. That the odds are that it's untrue, however, should not be ignored. Additionally, lambasting Dubya, et al, on the assumption is both premature and out of bounds, IMHO.

This sort of attack comment (that's what it is, IMHO) isn't new. Dubya has been thoroughly whacked by many many here for not doing things per someone's personal schedule. Sigh. Hell, he's been attacked here on this topic numerous times - folks making the same premature assumption - many months ago. Yet here we are - and it hasn't played out, yet.

I freely admit he hasn't met some of my preferences for timely actions, too... I have a list, if they wanna see it, lol. BUT. Such is living within the reality of being the President of The United States vs. the total whim of an outside observer, no? The time is not "up", the clock hasn't run out, and we do not know WTF is going on - any of us. So puh-fucking-leeze criticize with that in mind. Don't think shit's happening fast enough to suit your personal notions? Fine - say that. Don't think shit's going the way you want it to? Fine - say that. I'm disgusted by the assumption that what you / we see is all there is to be seen. And I'm pissed at him, too, about my fucking list! It's important! ;-)

The evidence, especially regards Dubya's tenure, indicates that he takes serious shit uh, well, seriously, unlike many of his predecessors. Ask the Taliban. Ask Saddam. Ask the Israelis about their bunker-buster inventory. Ask Kimmie about the food and oil he no longer gets from moronic appeasing State Dept policy wonks. Ask... Well, who has Bush given their due? The list is pretty damned long, when you honestly assess it. Perfect? Nope, but then we don't wear any, much less all, of the straight-jackets, legal and otherwise, that he does. Who else would've done what he's done - actually done, not simply speechified for poll and voter approval testing or yammered about on some blog?

We will all have to wait and see. Skeery? Yep. Imagine being an Israeli. Has he actually done what you've just bashed him for? No. You only give half-credit for astonishing progress - and then bash him with your assumptions. Not good. Not honest. Not "fair". Sigh. I'm tired and you hit one of my buttons. Sorry, but that's my take on your comment. I hope you're wrong. You and I are on the same side and share the same concerns, I assure you, but I think you've jumped off a cliff of your own making. At least, and I mean least, I hope so.

I'm counting on it, in fact. That the fucking cowards of the US Senate watered down the rocking House bill (submitted by Henry Hyde) which would specifically give Bush the "warrant" he needs to stop / wage war / act on the Mad Mullahs' deliverable nuke campaign, turning it into a sick sad fucking joke "Sense of the Senate" piece of PC fluff, is part and parcel to the situation. To act, he will have to streeeeeetch his authority. He'll probably do it, too. They'll probably try to impeach him for it, too.

I know your frustration - and share it. If he doesn't, then you can bash him for not exceeding his constitutional authority uh, um, sufficiently, to satisfy you and me and everyone else who understands where the MM's are taking the world - but please, put the blame where it belongs - on the (correctly identified) Dhimmidonks and gutless RINOs of the US Senate - who pulled the punch and took the warrant out of his hands.

Such is the reality, today, of being The President of The United States. Sucks to be him. Even more to be an Israeli waiting for the shoe to drop, though I hope they don't if we actually do sit mutely by with the utterly gutless Euros. Much easier to be us. We're brave and omniscient. Just ask us.

Peace? ;-)

Posted by .com 2005-12-22 07:13|| 2005-12-22 07:13|| Front Page Top

#3 The curious thing to me is that the EU is within the current tactical range of their existing missiles. You'd think that the EUnicks would want to put a stop to this at all costs. But, they dont. They are going to be pussies and Israel is going to have to do something crazy to try to stay alive.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2005-12-22 12:45|| 2005-12-22 12:45|| Front Page Top

#4 No offense taken in what you say, .com. I actually wasn't intending this as a bash against the president; that's why I added the counter argument that continuing with his original approach would have negative consequences, too (i.e., had he had the luxury to continue the good fight with the same righteous purposefulness we know him by, we would be even more isolated in the world and have even fewer allies to help carry this load, because they are all twisted up with guilt and confusion, and the populaces of some of those allies' countries are even torn about whether they really want us to succeed). The UN and our "allies" think the king is wearing clothes; we, seeing a nude tyrant, are outnumbered. We are like a Cassandra; we could not persuade.

It IS frustration you hear, yes-frustration that the "European" approach (I don't know what else to call it, sorry right-minded European Rantburgers) has won out. I am frustrated at mankind (for which my brother-in-law recently scolded me) for its deliberate ignorance over a tremendously lethal dilemma. 30, 40 years of experience with terrorism should have given the Europeans a much more realistic mindset about the nature of terrorism, and millions killed in world wars on their native soils because of self-imposed denial, avoidance and delay should have made them appreciate more than ANY others the need to confront evil while it is in pupa stage. Instead, they are more entrenched in denial and self-immolating behavior than ever. They are attempting to bargain with the scimitar at their throat; years of bargaining with and buying off terrorists has made them no safer-it has put them at greater risk. The risk of attacks on European soil is higher than ever; and we are going to defer to their wisdom? We are going to let them take the wheel for what to do about Iran?

I take very much to heart what you are saying about the corner the president is in, and have every bit as much disgust as you do when he is encouraged to choose utopian solutions that can never be.

What I wrote was not an attack on President Bush personally. I will ALWAYS ALWAYS be grateful that he was in office when 9/11 happened and was courageous enough and had integrity enough to take out Saddam. My frustration comes from what appears to be the fact (and perhaps you're right, I may not be getting a full picture of it) that his original approach has been deflected, rerouted, dissuaded, replaced by an idiotic plan to put a blind fool in the driver's seat of our Iran policy.

,com-I have great affection for you and respect for your ideas. Absolutely peace, and Merry Christmas.

Posted by jules 2 2005-12-22 19:58|| 2005-12-22 19:58|| Front Page Top

#5 *slaps forehead*

jules 2 - I have good news and (what is arguably) bad news, lol, you decide which is which...

I feel like a pluperfect fool for misunderstanding your post - and grovel in apology.

I think I'm in love.

ROFL.

You're very gracious and, while I was reading your reply, Etta serendipitously popped up on the MP3 player and sorta hit the spot, lol.

Thanks, heh. ;-p

Posted by .com 2005-12-22 21:55|| 2005-12-22 21:55|| Front Page Top

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