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2005-10-16 Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Russians help Iran with missile threat to Europe
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Posted by too true 2005-10-16 07:53|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Europe just seems to be determinded to dig its own grave.
Posted by mmurray821 2005-10-16 08:59||   2005-10-16 08:59|| Front Page Top

#2 Wouldn't Moscow also be in range of this missle? Sounds like Russa is busy digging its own grave too.

I hope Putty doesn't think that the Mad Mullah would let them off the hook.
Posted by CrazyFool 2005-10-16 09:05||   2005-10-16 09:05|| Front Page Top

#3 Putin has lots of problems, including lack of control over these former military members. Aren't these the same guys that fled Baghdad for the Syrian border only to cause an international incident when the military fired upon them? They also know what happened to the WMD's....Putin wants respect and is in a good position with lots of natural gas and other resources. Perhaps ex-KGB Putin should be cultivated to root out those who are only undermining his credibility. After all, the Russians can take out what they helped install, and they alone have access!
Posted by Danielle 2005-10-16 09:24||   2005-10-16 09:24|| Front Page Top

#4 Puttyputz has lots of problems?

*sniff, wipes tear*

Puttyputz, and those behind him, are the problem. I am truly fed up with excuses for what has transpired in Russia when compared with what could be. He's still 100% pure KGB asshole. No ifs, no buts, no BS about it.
Posted by .com 2005-10-16 09:49||   2005-10-16 09:49|| Front Page Top

#5 The problem is that he's acting like a Russian. The country's full of 'em.
Posted by Shipman 2005-10-16 09:53||   2005-10-16 09:53|| Front Page Top

#6 Lol, Ship you're a realcynic - as in realpolitik. The fucking Russians are not very bright, not very imaginative - unable to "see" what has poassed from local living memory, despite external examples - not very worthy. I had great hopes for US-Russian cooperation back in the day. No more. They're self-phucked.

Life is hard. It's a lot harder if you're stupid.
Posted by .com 2005-10-16 10:00||   2005-10-16 10:00|| Front Page Top

#7 The fucking Russians are not very bright, not very imaginative - unable to "see" what has poassed from local living memory, despite external examples - not very worthy.

LOL, pd. Sums things up perfectly. Reminds me of how back in the Cold War, we were going to lose 'cause the Russkies all played chess and had math olympiads and we didn't. It makes you wonder how dumb the pundits and analysts are that they never grasped the reality.
Posted by 11A5S 2005-10-16 10:28||   2005-10-16 10:28|| Front Page Top

#8 Sigh, if only I hadn't mispelled "passed", lol!

Indeed, I recall the same analyses - we were doomed. Between the fact that every Sov you ever heard of had a PhD or six (from Ideology U?), they would win by numbers at the Fulda Gap - not technology - though they were so "superior", and that there was a looming Mine Shaft Gap, lol, it was all over 'cept for the Fat Lady...
Posted by .com 2005-10-16 10:36||   2005-10-16 10:36|| Front Page Top

#9 Re: Russia and stupidity - the smart ones emigrated here, like my ancestors, and to Australia. Okay, some emigrated to Canada, it's true, but in the western provinces where moonbats are less welcome.

Same reason Scotland, once renowned for their warriors, is now populated by anti-nuke far lefters.
Posted by lotp 2005-10-16 10:41||   2005-10-16 10:41|| Front Page Top

#10 I think that there may be another perspective here. The Russians might just think that they can play an advanced version of the Cold War surrogates battle. They might be figuring that they can control their proxies (aka Mad Mullahs) the way they did with the North Vietnamese, Castro, etc.

Why might they think this? Perhaps because they see us as wimps that won't crack down hard, whereas they have no inhibitions at all. MMs start getting uppity and they get whacked.

Do I think this will work? Nope, but they might.
Posted by AlanC">AlanC  2005-10-16 10:59||   2005-10-16 10:59|| Front Page Top

#11 lotp, that can be extended to other countries. Germany sent those who were fed up with being sent around the continent as mercenaries. So they kept the warriors and we got the peaceniks of the 18th and 19th centuries who turned out to be the better warriors when properly motivated (or threatened by resubjugation) in the 20th. Bottom line, whoever came had to struggle, have a dream, optomism and a willingness to change and adapt to new and strange circumstances. The winners in the old country stuck there because they had no initiative, no imagination, no conception that they could be better off. And they aren't. They're the losers now.
Posted by Cheting Angomonter3565 2005-10-16 11:22||   2005-10-16 11:22|| Front Page Top

#12 RasPutin's hard-currency shell game with Iran needs to be tagged for what it is. This sort of blindly mercenary meddling in an already unstable region needs to come with a much heftier price tag attached to it. Russia's inability to connect the Beslan atrocity with its continued abetting of terrorist states like Iran takes cognitive dissonance to new heights. The emerging Trans-Caucasus Caliphate should serve Putin glaring notice of his abject failure in attending to Russia's actual security interests. Russia's downhill slide back into a degenerate authoritarian state is a fitting reward for their shortsightedness. Unfortunately, their hamfisted manipulating bodes rather ill for the security interests of most other nations.
Posted by Zenster 2005-10-16 11:46||   2005-10-16 11:46|| Front Page Top

#13 Folks, this shit only moves the "red line" up a bit faster.

Given that Condi paid an unproductive visit to Putty & Co. last Friday, and got no where, we are simply checking off all the boxes.
Posted by Captain America 2005-10-16 12:08||   2005-10-16 12:08|| Front Page Top

#14 I think Russia sees Uncle Sam as enemy number one and is arming anyone who looks like he might take the US on, seriously wounding the US while perhaps being destroyed by the US, leaving one less problem for Russia. I suspect Russia would love it if the Iranians nuked us and we annihilated Iran in return. Ditto with China. I'm not sure which they prefer more, because while China is the bigger military threat, Iran is a major problem because it shares a religion with a major proportion (20% and growing, because of higher birth rates) of the Russian Federation.
Posted by Elmenter Snineque1852 2005-10-16 12:08||   2005-10-16 12:08|| Front Page Top

#15 So far I'm less then impressed with Condi Rice. To put it crudely....She needs to get her shit together...Now!
I'm not sayin...I'm just sayin.
Posted by DepotGuy 2005-10-16 14:31||   2005-10-16 14:31|| Front Page Top

#16 WTF? DepotGuy?

Pray-tell, define how her shit is un-together.

Please, proceed. My pixels are all a-quiver.
Posted by .com 2005-10-16 14:45||   2005-10-16 14:45|| Front Page Top

#17 Depot Guy, there's a long line forming to fing out how we'd be better off with Colin "Dolittle" Powell still in that job.
Posted by Sholing Slaique2335 2005-10-16 14:53||   2005-10-16 14:53|| Front Page Top

#18 I'm beginning to think there must be this secret reservoir of perfect people. Kept secret from me, anyway. I thought everyone with honor did what they could and perfection was mythical, though approached at times.

Posts like this make me wonder about that - a humbling thought, indeed.

But then it passes and I realize the poster probably hasn't a fucking clue what the role of a cabinet officer is - or just enjoys taking a gutless potshot at the underling who must deal with the assignment, no matter how hopeless it may be.
Posted by .com 2005-10-16 15:03||   2005-10-16 15:03|| Front Page Top

#19 But then it passes and I realize the poster probably hasn't a fucking clue what the role of a cabinet officer is

Same poster who thinks Scott Ritter is pure as the driven snow.
Posted by Pappy 2005-10-16 16:15||   2005-10-16 16:15|| Front Page Top

#20 sucks, huh, DepotGuy, when you lay yourself open for ridicule and won't acknowledge it?
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-10-16 16:17||   2005-10-16 16:17|| Front Page Top

#21 sucks, huh, DepotGuy, when you lay yourself open for ridicule and won't acknowledge it?

Hey! I'm MAD as hell and I'm not gonna take this anymore . . .

Oh, that's not me your talkin' about. Never mind!
Posted by AlmostStupid5839">AlmostStupid5839  2005-10-16 16:50||   2005-10-16 16:50|| Front Page Top

#22 5839?

You're underrated.
Posted by .com 2005-10-16 17:02||   2005-10-16 17:02|| Front Page Top

#23 I know is is now a hackneyed expression, but I knida miss the relative clarity of the cold war. They held their mutts, mopes and moonbats in check by fear and muscle, we sorta coalesced the less crazy elements of the West and a few sane independents together using standard of living and actual reason about how the world works. Both sides were convinced the other would pull the trigger (for differing reasons) and a sense of limited conflict without the doomsday ending was accepted. Now with the leash off our side disintegrates into shortsighted self-interest and their side minus the ChiComs (or whatever fascist, kleptocratic, oligarchy-variant they actually are)grows more self-destructive. Ruled by pious maniacs and really ignorant, racist, intolerant people, the moon-worshippers are running the world headlong into disaster, and the Russians try and buy back some chips in the hegemon game while the Chinese, the real enemy, look to mop up after the implosion in 2012 or so.......
jeez, i wish all i had to worry about was the Fulda Gap fighting positions or the airhead at Osan Airbase!
Posted by Just About Enough!">Just About Enough!  2005-10-16 17:07||   2005-10-16 17:07|| Front Page Top

#24 Point taken. My comments were made between my last cup o joe and my first and beer. Always a shaky time. Hence the qualifier at the end. I’ll apologize in advance if my next comments sound equally clueless. But here goes. Condolezza rice is an intelligent and gifted woman but in my opinion her performance, thus far, has been sub par. The President elevated her position to the United States’ top diplomatic position as Secretary of State. Who am I to question? Hell, it’s hard to imagine she could be less effective then her predecessor. Granted that position doesn’t make policy, but dammit, they have to sell it. The one area I thought she would excel at is US – Russia relations. After all, I thought that was her area of expertise. And it seems with both the Iran and Syria issues looming, we can ill afford to maintain the status quo. By hook or crook, the US must effectively engage the Russians to resolve the immediate situations. Not looking for perfection here…but show me some results.
Posted by DepotGuy 2005-10-16 17:32||   2005-10-16 17:32|| Front Page Top

#25 Pappy, my comments about Ritter were not about his guilt or innocence. My point was if your going to accuse somebody of something as serious as being a sex offender you should have the balls to attatch your name to your accusations.
The Ritter saga is loaded with "condition of anonymity".
Posted by DepotGuy 2005-10-16 17:58||   2005-10-16 17:58|| Front Page Top

#26 I see your position, but I don't agree. Knowing an adversary is no guarantee of anything - save understanding why they do what they do, which does not always reveal the negotiating path to take - sometimes there isn't one. So, IMHO, the real point is it takes two to tango. Puttyputz is a pluperfect mercenary asshole. No progress is possible without either incentive or threat - and perhaps not even then. I don't think you want to try to "buy" Puttyputz - that is a bottomless / endless black hole. It seems to appeal to our legislative wizards. Hell, it's not their money, so... On the other hand, do you think we can threaten him persuasively / effectively? I don't.

It's a hard world and he's a bona-fide KGB whore... I'm just sayin...

Personally, I've reached an apocalyptic position - which I am loath to lay out, lol. So many mixed feelings, which I make a point of NOT mistaking for thinking - per Twain's clear warning, regardless of the cold hard logic that indicates certain actions make sense. Very very few people are willing to tolerate them - yet.

I guess there's a sick calculus underpinning most people's view of politics and crises. In the current situation, it's clear that the dead Americans count isn't sufficient for the civilized folks to get over themselves. Ain't that a kick in the head?
Posted by .com 2005-10-16 18:02||   2005-10-16 18:02|| Front Page Top

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