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2005-08-17 Israel-Palestine

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Posted by Steve White 2005-08-17 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I just hope nobody gets killed during all this. The whole thing is too sad to talk about.

Posted by Chris W.">Chris W. 2005-08-17 00:14|| 2005-08-17 00:14|| Front Page Top

#2 even too sad to rant about

Posted by Jan 2005-08-17 00:36|| 2005-08-17 00:36|| Front Page Top

#3 On NPR yesterday, they said the soldiers would be (were?) going through Settlement dwellings door to door, to make sure all had been abandoned.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-08-17 00:54|| 2005-08-17 00:54|| Front Page Top

#4 Agreed, Jan. There is no pleasure in watching people get tossed from their homes. Add to that the Paleos absence of gratitude.

Posted by Captain America 2005-08-17 01:11|| 2005-08-17 01:11|| Front Page Top

#5 It ain't a pretty sight, but they shouldn't have moved there in the first place . My 2 cents.

Posted by lyot 2005-08-17 05:13|| 2005-08-17 05:13|| Front Page Top

#6 UN funded racism, pure and simple.

Posted by phil_b 2005-08-17 05:22|| 2005-08-17 05:22|| Front Page Top

#7 If someone is to blame, it's the Israeli state who used these people for an unrealistic zionist policy

Posted by lyot 2005-08-17 05:39|| 2005-08-17 05:39|| Front Page Top

#8 No, lidiot, it's the Arabs who won't try to live in peace, but rather whack off to dreams of genocide every night.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-08-17 07:45|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-08-17 07:45|| Front Page Top

#9 Of course it's the Arabs, Robert..How could I forget ?

Posted by lyot 2005-08-17 08:31|| 2005-08-17 08:31|| Front Page Top

#10 lyot:

you seem to be completely dismissive of any rationale for the validity of settlements. understand the origins of the "occupation" and the notion of settlements doesn't seem so outrageous.

here's a crash course:

1. israel becomes an independent state
2. arabs (yes, those arabs) try to eradicate israel in multiple wars
3. israel dissapoints the arabs by winning the 1967 war and in an attempt to secure itself, buffering its borders with land taken in the battle
4. believing arabs would never agree to live in peace with israel (which they demonstrate repeatedly in word and deed), israel decides to keep the land

so, yes, arabs. and if you think this will get them to live in peace with israel, you're giving them too much credit.

Posted by PlanetDan">PlanetDan 2005-08-17 09:09|| 2005-08-17 09:09|| Front Page Top

#11 Because you're a leftist tool, that's why.

Hey, how come Egypt and Jordan never created a "Palestine" when they held this territory? The West Bank is full of Jordanians, not "Palestinians", and Gaza is full of Egyptians.

Posted by Laurence of the Rats">Laurence of the Rats 2005-08-17 09:10|| http://www.punictreachery.com/]">[http://www.punictreachery.com/] 2005-08-17 09:10|| Front Page Top

#12 Removing them to live in Israel is ALSO a Zionist policy. Zionism means simply the right of Israel to exist, and to exist as a Jewish national homeland. It doesnt necessarily mean settling or holding Gaza and the West Bank. Both the settler movement, and the haters of Israel have twisted the meaning of the word Zionism.

Posted by liberalhawk 2005-08-17 09:12|| 2005-08-17 09:12|| Front Page Top

#13 The land was captured in war and held thereafter. It wasn't a war the Israelis went looking for... I don't blame them for holding it.

Posted by eLarson 2005-08-17 09:26|| http://larsonian.blogspot.com]">[http://larsonian.blogspot.com] 2005-08-17 09:26|| Front Page Top

#14 well said, LH.

I must admit that the pictures of the settlers being evicted are heartbreaking and it's impossible not to feel sorry for them. But as someone who has the military enter my house, forcibly pack my stuff and move it to a new location - not of my choosing - that is 3,000 miles away from all friends and family - many times - they won't get much more than a BFD - get over it - from me.

It's hardly the end of the world. Jeesh - so much handwringing over a move.

Posted by 2b 2005-08-17 09:27|| 2005-08-17 09:27|| Front Page Top

#15 darn preview! as someone who has HAD the military....

Posted by 2b 2005-08-17 09:32|| 2005-08-17 09:32|| Front Page Top

#16 The alternative to moving is to remain where they are so the Paleos can lynch them or murder them in their beds.

Posted by Fred 2005-08-17 10:58|| 2005-08-17 10:58|| Front Page Top

#17 I prefer to look at removing the settlers as "clearing the firing lanes".

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-08-17 12:10|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-08-17 12:10|| Front Page Top

#18 I hear that Sharon has buses on standby to stuff with settlers. Hey Sharon, what's the matter, you couldn't find any rail cars?

I don't believe in the myth that Israel will be allowed to naplam Gaza, even in self-defense, after the pullout. Nobody will be happier that me, if Israel were to do that, but it's just not reality.

I, also, don't believe in the myth that Israel must expel the settlers because the IDF resources are depleting. The myth is that Israel can't financially and militarily protect the settlements. Well the last time I checked, ALL of Israel is surrounded by about 25million possible threats. I guess Israel needs to put their hands up because they can't protect the country due financial and military infeasibility.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2005-08-17 13:20|| 2005-08-17 13:20|| Front Page Top

#19 you are such wanker, PR. They have to move...the horror. Cue the renh, renh, renh music. As if millions of military and corporate families don't do it daily. I've done what they are being asked to do more times than I can remember. Oh MY GOD!!! They have to ...renh! renh! renh! MOVE!!!!!!!

Big F'n Deal. Your rail cars just makes you seem emotionally unhinged. Get a grip.

Posted by 2b 2005-08-17 14:27|| 2005-08-17 14:27|| Front Page Top

#20 Lets see, Israelies can't live in Palestinian controled territory, but Palestinians can live in Israeli territory? Did I miss something here?

Posted by RJB in JC MO 2005-08-17 14:40|| 2005-08-17 14:40|| Front Page Top

#21 PR:
It's much harder to defend homes on the wrong side of the ~~railroad tracks~~ security fence. Basically, I see Israel pulling out everyone to behind the fence. As long as they aggressively counterattack with massively disproportionate force, that may work. If they simply exercise restraint to keep the fragile CeaseFire™, then they're going to be defeated no matter where they draw the line.

2B:
When you join the military, you knowingly agree in advance to be moved all over the place. Once you're out, you can pick a place to live and move and stay there.

If you work for a corporation, you can quit and find another job that's local. They don't force you to leave.

Of course, if you live in New London, then you're just screwed.

Posted by Jackal">Jackal 2005-08-17 15:47|| home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2005-08-17 15:47|| Front Page Top

#22 Jackal,

You're backing up my first myth. The world won't allow the action that you and I wish Israel would take, even in self-defense.

Everyone's busy talking about the Gaza pullout. Does anyone realize that underneath the cloud of the Gaza frenzy, there is a forced West Bank pullout? Land, land and more land for no peace in return.

There is nothing I like, more than a large stock investment with no dividend payout.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2005-08-17 16:13|| 2005-08-17 16:13|| Front Page Top

#23 Great point...... no the point PR, even though the Israelies pull out of Gaza...... there will be NO peace. Mark it in stone, take it to the bank, bet the mortgage on it!

Posted by RJB in JC MO 2005-08-17 17:58|| 2005-08-17 17:58|| Front Page Top

#24 Israelis won't care what the "world" thinks. Fire away and return Cause=>Effect to the MidEast equation. Sad to withdraw, but it made financial and national security sense, despite the BS noted above. West Bank and around Jerusalem? NFW! Build the wall and shoot back with disproportionate weaponry

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-17 18:20|| 2005-08-17 18:20|| Front Page Top

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