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2005-07-14 Britain

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Posted by Dan Darling 2005-07-14 10:10|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Color me furious...

"We've got to look at the reasoning behind these things," said Saraj Qazi, a 25-year-old Muslim boutique owner in Luton, just north of London, where police suspect the bombers gathered for their final brief journey into the British capital on July 7.

"There's no denying it's payback for what's happened in Iraq and Afghanistan," he said. "You've been bombing people for the last two to four years, so you are going to get a backlash."

"England is a great country and we love it to bits but do we love this government? No," Mr. Qazi said. "There were 24 Muslims killed in Iraq today; there will be more tonight and more tomorrow."

Here is your "moderate, westernized" muslim.

1) Who the &*&&^* started this shooting war a lot more than 4 years ago?

2) Who the &*&&*+(&^T%TTY*)O(Y&^%&^&^ killed those 24 Muslims ( and a hell of a lot more ) in Iraq?

3) What the (^%**(($(&*&* reasoning is behind this?

As far as I can tell, there is a relatively small number of actual ACTIVE Islamonazis, BUT, there is a very, very, LARGE number, maybe even a majority, that has absolutely NO problem with what is done in the name of their religion.

To all those folks who say that "the solution to ending Isloterror must come from the "moderate" Muslims" I ask, "What if the MMM (mythical moderate Muslims) DON'T WANT THE TERROR TO END?? (see above)

Posted by AlanC">AlanC 2005-07-14 12:51|| 2005-07-14 12:51|| Front Page Top

#2 I don't think many of them in the UK do either. A common theme is how they consider themselves muslim first and a citizen of the UK second. That is in keeping with being a slave to your god in a religion that provides for only one form of legitimate government. It is in keeping with a religion that goes to great length to define the "us versus them" mentality behind the faith. On that basis the killing of your own countrymen in your nation because of the foreign policy of the nation's government that is perceived to be infringing on the lands and people of your coreligionists makes perfect sense. If this is indeed a perversion of their faith it has to be pretty close to the most ugly perversion imaginable. The community has no qualms about being persistently and publically vocal about headscarfs, koran besmirching, and other issues dear to them yet this and other daily "perversions" of the first degree have received relatively little of the type of condemnation one might expect would be reserved for such an ugly affront to the faith. The public explanation of this as a "perversion" doesn't fit with the reality of what can be seen in the UK.

Posted by GhostofBonzo 2005-07-14 13:29|| 2005-07-14 13:29|| Front Page Top

#3 there may be more than a just a bombmaker

there are motivators, masterminds, operational assistants

Posted by mhw 2005-07-14 13:36|| 2005-07-14 13:36|| Front Page Top

#4 Why does backlash only work as an excuse for them, not for us? I mean, wasn't our invasion of Afghanistan backlash against their bombing of the World Trade Center? Can we use "backlash from the London bombing" as an excuse for our next operation against terrorists?

Posted by WhiteCollarRedneck 2005-07-14 13:53|| 2005-07-14 13:53|| Front Page Top

#5 I have a wonderful (to me, anyway) piece of Political art.

I'd call it PorKoran.

It would be an actual Koran mounted on Pigs feet, with a tail and book marks made of bacon. Maybe with some hog jowels up front.

Think a sculptural cross between Dali's watches and Piss Christ. Then I'd franchise copies that could tour the world.

What do you think? Does free speech protect me?

Posted by AlanC">AlanC 2005-07-14 14:06|| 2005-07-14 14:06|| Front Page Top

#6 Why does backlash only work as an excuse for them, not for us?

Because! That's why!

Posted by Shipman 2005-07-14 14:15|| 2005-07-14 14:15|| Front Page Top

#7 "there may be more than a just a bombmaker

there are motivators, masterminds, operational assistants"

That is right. First some thought it was just al Qaeda, .001 of the Muslim population, and that was scary enough. While holding to that belief, some wondered why the Muslim clergy and the moderate Muslims were silent. Then some said it was the radical Wahhabi sect, and it was observed that they ran schools in the Middle East and in the US. While making these observations, some wondered why the moderate Muslim clergy was silent and why, again, were mainstream Muslims not standing up. Then some noticed that when the mainstream moderate Muslims would speak out, it was always with a caveat. "Islam condemns the the killing of innocent people, but . . .." It is then that the realization becomes clear, the mainstream Muslims are speaking out. The mainstream "moderate Muslim" fully supports the objective of the establishment of an Islamic Caliphate governed by Sharia everywhre there are Muslims - and there are Muslims everywhere. The "moderate Muslim" believes in the objective, but is afraid of the sacrifice to get there. The small minority of Muslims who truly dissent from the goals and aspirations of the jyhadists, are just afraid of the jyhadists themselves.

Posted by Hank 2005-07-14 14:17|| 2005-07-14 14:17|| Front Page Top

#8 What do you think? Does free speech protect me?

Are you kidding? An NEA grant awaits.

Posted by 2b 2005-07-14 14:20|| 2005-07-14 14:20|| Front Page Top

#9 But you'd do well to use the funds to get a bodyguard or two as well as a teflon vest for the back and neck. (Van Gogh ring a bell?)

Posted by GhostofBonzo 2005-07-14 14:29|| 2005-07-14 14:29|| Front Page Top

#10 Really, 2B???? I was sure that the NEA would declare it hate speech. Afterall it's not directed at white Christians and Jews.

Maybe I'll have to work up a grant request.

Posted by AlanC">AlanC 2005-07-14 14:55|| 2005-07-14 14:55|| Front Page Top

#11 THIS is what regular Moslems think:
Saraj Qazi, a 25-year-old Muslim boutique owner in Luton, just north of London... "There's no denying it's payback for what's happened in Iraq and Afghanistan," he said. "You've been bombing people for the last two to four years, so you are going to get a backlash."

SUCH statements should be cause for jail and permanent banishment. Anything more sympathetic to Moslem mass-murderers should lead to trial for treason and the death penalty.

Are we waiting for them to use nukes against our cities?

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-14 15:01|| 2005-07-14 15:01|| Front Page Top

#12 " I have a wonderful (to me, anyway) piece of Political art.

I'd call it PorKoran.

It would be an actual Koran mounted on Pigs feet, with a tail and book marks made of bacon. Maybe with some hog jowels up front.

Think a sculptural cross between Dali's watches and Piss Christ. Then I'd franchise copies that could tour the world.

What do you think? Does free speech protect me? "

Yes, in the US anyway.

Posted by liberalhawk 2005-07-14 16:01|| 2005-07-14 16:01|| Front Page Top

#13 "SUCH statements should be cause for jail and permanent banishment. "

so much for free speech.

Lets review. Free speech means you have the right to call Islam an abomination, and to call for its abolition, even if I think thats a poor idea and that saying that undermines the WOT (which I do). Free speech ALSO means that somebody can say "ah, its all payback" though i find that despicable, and am troubled that some muslims are saying that.

Posted by liberalhawk 2005-07-14 16:04|| 2005-07-14 16:04|| Front Page Top

#14 now i would NOT mind have any muslim who says "its all pay back" put on a watch list, and followed around, to see which mosques they attend, who they associate with, etc. I wonder if there would be any objection for similar treatment of those who call for nuking Mecca?

Posted by liberalhawk 2005-07-14 16:05|| 2005-07-14 16:05|| Front Page Top

#15 Supporters of terrorist acts are not engaging in free speech. Just as someone shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater is not engaging in free speech.

As for razing Mecca, I support that OPTION in RETALIATION for the next ISLAMOFASCIST ATTACK on US soil. The same reason and mode of operation that led to nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And the same threat made to the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Claro?

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-14 17:00|| 2005-07-14 17:00|| Front Page Top

#16 Backlash in London for 52 dead = one case of arson.

Backlash for one false rumour of a Koran flushing = ?

Posted by Super Hose 2005-07-14 17:31|| 2005-07-14 17:31|| Front Page Top

#17 I wonder if there is no moral equivalence beneath a finger wagging liberal.

Silly me, of course not.

Posted by .com 2005-07-14 19:33|| 2005-07-14 19:33|| Front Page Top

#18 It seems the "high grade" explosives was simple acetone peroxide made in a bath tub using common ingredients (sulphuric acid, acetone, hydrogen peroxide).

Posted by john 2005-07-14 20:13|| 2005-07-14 20:13|| Front Page Top

#19 One form, triacetone triperoxide or TATP, is apparently used by Palestinian suicide bombers.

Was the "mastermind" a Palestinian "Engineer"?

Posted by john 2005-07-14 20:21|| 2005-07-14 20:21|| Front Page Top

#20 Liberalhawk, you would have lost us World War II with your moral equivalence lunacy. You could never have bombed the Germans or the Japanese -- you'd have just stewed in your arguments until one or the other of the hostile powers reached your doorstep and blew your brains out. I thought self-preservation was inate, but I was wrong. You deserve a Darwin award.

Name all the places that Islamic nutjobs are blowing people up recently. Go ahead. In just the last two weeks will suffice. London, Israel, Thailand, Turkey... Now name some recent bombings that were not carried out by Islamic nutjobs. World War III is breaking out, the enemy is clear, and you are not up to the task.

Posted by Neutron Tom 2005-07-14 20:27|| 2005-07-14 20:27|| Front Page Top

#21 So the Egyptian chemist made the bombs.
Who is the "mastermind" ?

Posted by john 2005-07-14 20:34|| 2005-07-14 20:34|| Front Page Top

#22 'cuz, of course, all of us advocating nuking Mecca spend the rest of our time running around building bombs to blow up Muslims, and when that doesn't work we string 'em up in a tree. Haven't you seen it on the news?

Posted by Asedwich">Asedwich 2005-07-14 20:55|| 2005-07-14 20:55|| Front Page Top

#23 What? You mean there's a difference between debate / discussion / ranting and blowing up innocent kafrs with Allan's blessings? Who'da thunk it?

Posted by .com 2005-07-14 21:03|| 2005-07-14 21:03|| Front Page Top

#24 wudn't me, didn't do it.

;)

Posted by Asedwich">Asedwich 2005-07-14 23:35|| 2005-07-14 23:35|| Front Page Top

#25 Heh.
;)

Posted by .com 2005-07-14 23:36|| 2005-07-14 23:36|| Front Page Top

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