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2005-05-24 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by Dan Darling 2005-05-24 08:42|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 hydrogen chlorine

Is this like red mercury?

Posted by Shipman 2005-05-24 08:47|| 2005-05-24 08:47|| Front Page Top

#2 Hydrogen Chlorine? Just another compound word in the bag of tricks of an ignorant journalist. I take liberties with the word journalist.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2005-05-24 08:53|| 2005-05-24 08:53|| Front Page Top

#3 Maybe he does know his chemistry:
Reaction of Chlorine with Hydrogen
A mixture of Chlorine and Hydrogen explodes when exposed to sunlight to give Hydrogen Chloride. In the dark, no reaction occurs, so activation of the reaction by light energy is required.

Hydrogen + Chlorine Cannon
Hydrogen and chlorine gases can be mixed together without reacting. They have been placed into a test tube with a cork in it. The test tube is placed into a small cannon with a hole in the side that will allow light to pass through. A magnesium ribbon is ignited and brought close to the hole and when the light from the burning magnesium ribbon strikes the mixture, the hydrogen and chlorine react explosively, propelling the cork out of the test tube.
(The test tube is placed within the brass cannon for safety; should the explosion shatter the test tube, the metal would prevent flying glass. The hydrogen and chlorine do not react when they are just mixed together, but the reaction can be initiated by a bright light.)

HID - Safety Report Assessment Guide: Chlorine
The primary accident that chlorine facilities can suffer is the loss of containment leading to a major toxic release of a dense gas, which disperses over a wide area. Additional accident scenarios include:-

Fire - from the exothermic reaction of chlorine with metals and certain organic materials.
Explosion - from accumulated nitrogen trichloride or chlorine/hydrogen mixtures.
Within chlorine manufacturing facilities, explosions can occur if flammable mixtures of hydrogen/chlorine meet an ignition source. Such a situation can occur if hydrogen concentrations are allowed to rise to high levels within liquifier and absorption facilities. UV Light, electrical equipment or hot surfaces can initiate ignition. Explosions can occur if the system has the potential to accumulate quantities of nitrogen trichloride, which is a shock sensitive material.

Posted by Steve ">Steve 2005-05-24 09:33|| 2005-05-24 09:33|| Front Page Top

#4 More on the nut here:
Grecula bragged about the bomb's destructive capabilities, saying it would be more powerful than the bomb that destroyed the federal building in Oklahoma City and would level the hotel, according to court records.
"In fact, I could tell you one thing about this technology, it is the most powerful energy known to man except for nuclear," Grecula said, according to court records. "It approaches nuclear in its capabilities, say nuclear bombs."

Grecula compared himself to Spartacus, according to the criminal complaint.

"He formed an army and he fought against Rome. He was tortured in prison, he was beat up, took his family, killed his friends, etc.," Grecula said during Friday's meeting. "So, you could say in a way I am like a Spartacus. ... So, that's it, I have no loyalty to America."

Posted by Steve ">Steve 2005-05-24 12:52|| 2005-05-24 12:52|| Front Page Top

#5 Isn't that lovely: being convicted and jailed for life fits so perfectly into his life's ambition.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-05-24 13:10|| 2005-05-24 13:10|| Front Page Top

#6 Steve,
Hydrogen and chorine are both gasses and would make for a poor bomb (low mass). I would be more worried about the hydrocloric acid product if it formed in an enclosed space full of people. However, oxy-acetelyne from welder's supply would be quite poweful.

Posted by ed 2005-05-24 14:05|| 2005-05-24 14:05|| Front Page Top

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