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2005-05-23 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

One killed by Lebanese army fire in faction clashes

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Posted by Steve 2005-05-23 12:02:15 PM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 They had their chance to rise to the occasion in 1982. And didn't. When their leader was blown up, they collapses. Perhaps the Maronites have learned? Don't bet the house on it...

Posted by borgboy 2005-05-23 13:23|| 2005-05-23 13:23|| Front Page Top

#2 Dear Steve, first of all, describing Rafiq Hariri as an "anti-syrian" is much exagerated. As long as business was runing smoothly, he was ready to make sweet deals (and he has done a lot of them). Second, this story shows again that lebanes army is still good at killing Lebanese. When it comes to do something against the Israeli and/or the Syrian occupation ... nobody's here. Third, death can happend in strange ways. Especially when you belong to a fasict group in a feodalistic neigborhood. Peace out.

Posted by Alexandre Medawar">Alexandre Medawar 2005-05-23 14:09|| 2005-05-23 14:09|| Front Page Top

#3 Jeez. Phalangists and National Socialists. Are the either of the party names misleading, or is this just fascist-on-Nazi violence?

Posted by Mitch H.">Mitch H. 2005-05-23 15:22|| http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]">[http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/] 2005-05-23 15:22|| Front Page Top

#4 Mitch:
Dunno about the Phalange, but the SNSP is pretty much like the German NS. The former correct name for the Baath parties (Syria and Iraq) is something like National Social Arab Renewal Party. They date from the 30s and were ideologically aligned with the NSDAP. The SNSP is a break-off of the Baathists (or the Baathists are the break-off...). But, essentially, they are all fascists.

Posted by Jackal">Jackal 2005-05-23 16:01|| home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2005-05-23 16:01|| Front Page Top

#5 Alex, Steve didn't write the article, check the link on the title.

Posted by Shipman 2005-05-23 16:11|| 2005-05-23 16:11|| Front Page Top

#6 IIUC the Syrian Social National Party (thats what Pipes calls them) was founded by a Greek Orthodox guy in Lebanon. While the Baath was, at least in theory, arab nationalist, the SSNP was specifically devoted to the idea of Greater Syria, including Syria/Lebanon/Jordan and Israel?Palestine. And NOT including the rest of the Great Arab Race. Instead the SSNP looked back to a Syrian national/racial identity that predated the Arab conquest (which youd expect from Christians - but unlike the Maronites, the Greek Orthodox were weak in Lebanon proper, and so looked to a larger state) Baath style Arab nationalism was more mainstream in the region, and the SSNP was always seen as somewhat goofy. Of course under Daddy Assad Syria pretty much abandoned real Arab nationalism, and instead pursued Greater Syria, so SSNP was tolerated, and even used as a tool.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2005-05-23 17:24|| 2005-05-23 17:24|| Front Page Top

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