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2005-04-08 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by Steve White 2005-04-08 12:01:27 AM|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Fact is the 9/11 terrorist attacks worked because of the element of surprise. On flight 93 where the passengers learned the fate of the other planes via cell phone they organized a counter attack against the hijackers and re-took the cockpit.

Today anyone trying to hijack a plane is more likely to be beaten to death with laptop computers and various pieces of luggage. Thousands Standing Around (TSA) searching little old ladies and confiscating medals of honor from veterans are not going to make us any safer than the pre-9/11 security measures.

Air Marshals are a good idea (though not with the stupid dress code the agency enforces). Better screening would work, but the ACLU would never allow it. Real security measures like El Al uses would work, but American travelers would never tolerate the delay.

Posted by DMFD 2005-04-08 2:07:36 AM|| 2005-04-08 2:07:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Stone is the third top administrator to leave the three-year-old agency, which was created in the chaos and patriotism...

More like chaos and opportunism.

Posted by Pappy 2005-04-08 2:35:11 AM|| 2005-04-08 2:35:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 I'm reminded of that EIB adfake for TSA... the one with:

"I used to soil myself down at the bus station. This is much better."

I've seen the folks they put in uniform on my frequent (Chicago) Blue Line trips, and I didn't feel any safer knowing they were Federalized. Not really any less safe, either. You see, I never blamed them for 9-11, unlike a bunch of showboating Congressmen. (*cough*Mark Kirk*cough*)

Posted by eLarson 2005-04-08 8:10:42 AM|| [http://larsonian.blogspot.com] 2005-04-08 8:10:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Real security measures like El Al uses would work, but American travelers would never tolerate the delay.

Ask the question of Americans in a straightforward manner: "Would you be willing to part with security in an effort to get to your destination faster?"

I'd guess the typical answer would be "no".

The question is, are El Al flights any more delayed than others? Seems to me they wouldn't be. El Al doesn't try to treat everyone equally; they profile, which is typically aimed at a small number of individuals.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-04-08 11:23:40 AM|| 2005-04-08 11:23:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 BAR,

I don't think El Al flights themselves are delayed more, but I do believe that the passengers have to report much earlier.

On the other hand, Israeli security doesn't waste its time ransacking the possessions of 80 year old women in wheelchairs and focuses on those who are the most likely to cause trouble.

In Israel that's called prudence. In the US it's called racial profiling.

Posted by Dreadnought 2005-04-08 11:38:01 AM|| 2005-04-08 11:38:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 You need to arrive at Ben Gurion no later than 3 hours before your flight. No curbside check in and a total of 5 security stops, including one on the way into the airport.

Posted by Remoteman 2005-04-08 2:59:14 PM|| 2005-04-08 2:59:14 PM|| Front Page Top

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