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2005-04-07 Iraq-Jordan

Mad Ogre's brother reports on Abu Ghraib raid

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Posted by Dar 2005-04-07 9:53:41 AM|| || Front Page|| [11133 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I think the policy of not acknowedging enemy body counts works against the US. When a situation like this happens and a lot of jihadi bodies are stacked up, I think a count should be made known and images broadcast. If not for US tv, then for Iraqi and Arab tv to drive home the knowledge that to F with the US military is to meet certain and unromantic death.

Posted by ed 2005-04-07 10:31:50 AM|| 2005-04-07 10:31:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 I cannot find one mention of a Miranda warning being issued to any of the Minutemen who had showed up for what they obviously thought was "Visiting Day at Abu Ghraib". I'm sure the ACLU will look into this for us.

But in the meantime: HooRah Marines!!

Posted by Justrand 2005-04-07 10:33:22 AM|| 2005-04-07 10:33:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 I think the policy of not acknowedging enemy body counts works against the US.

Absolutely not.

Body count games are an instant win for the press. They'll ALWAYS accept the numbers claimed by America's enemies, and if the military presents numbers that differ at all, the press will play "gotcha". If the military estimate is too high, then "as in Vietnam, reports are being inflated to make the situation look good". If the military estimate is too low, "critics believe the military is underplaying the lethality and randomness of their firepower in order to curtail criticism".

More importantly, body counts are meaningless in determining who won. You want to know how this battle turned out? You sure as hell don't count corpses -- you look at the fact that we still hold Abu Ghraib and that none of the inmates got out. Sounds like a victory to me.

No body count games, ever. Just the facts on the mission, please.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2005-04-07 10:47:52 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-04-07 10:47:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Iâm sorry, but you find someoneâs jaw, Iâd count that as a kill, but Iâm not the defense department.

Somebody share that line with Roger Simon, that just has to make it into the next Moses Wine novel.

Posted by Steve White 2005-04-07 2:01:29 PM|| 2005-04-07 2:01:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 They'll ALWAYS accept the numbers claimed by America's enemies, and if the military presents numbers that differ at all, the press will play "gotcha".

That's Marc Herold in a nutshell.

Posted by Raj 2005-04-07 2:01:59 PM|| 2005-04-07 2:01:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 We don't need to play up body counts. Just keep taking them out. If more want to play, fine. Take them out, too. Then all the Saudi dads and moms can talk to each other and sometime it will hit them like a ton of bricks that all of their boys are gone. Then they will start asking questions about a possible Black Hole.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2005-04-07 3:15:23 PM|| 2005-04-07 3:15:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 You got it, body counts a lose-lose game
. Meanwhile spread the word about our special lockup.

Posted by Sgt Cal Cutter 2005-04-07 3:26:15 PM|| 2005-04-07 3:26:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Well said Robert Crawford

Posted by SwissTex 2005-04-07 7:09:36 PM|| 2005-04-07 7:09:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 I wonder how many mass attacks these morons are going to try. This has to be the work of replacement higher-ups who are either so stupid or so desperate that they will try anything. I read that this was an extremely well executed plan...and they got their asses wiped. DO NOT, repeat DO NOT f**ck with the US Marines!

Posted by Remoteman 2005-04-07 7:13:23 PM|| 2005-04-07 7:13:23 PM|| Front Page Top

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